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All Forum Posts by: Ming Lim

Ming Lim has started 19 posts and replied 313 times.

Post: New to real estate investing from Toronto canada

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

Welcome @Edward Aruoture! I'm a long time Toronto investor - I love this city! Feel free to connect with me anytime. Hopefully I'll see you at one of our meetups in the near future.

Cheers,

Ming

Post: My First Ontario REIA - Advice?

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Birtha Wall - That's awesome! I remember my first meetup. I was nervous as I've never been very social. I found however, that most meetup, people are very friendly. Don't be afraid to walk up to someone and introduce yourself. You always have common ground - ask them if they're already invested, where and what got them started. 

The one thing to look out for at meetups, is some of them are just sales pitches. If there aren't there to educate and create community, move on. There are always other options.

Post: Young man, Huge Aspirations

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

Welcome @Kyle Edwards! Yes - another Canadian! BP is a great place, but it's mostly US focused. Lots of differences investing in Canada. Come hang out on the Canadian forum though. Many of us are there who can help out. Good luck!

Cheers,

Ming

Post: First Time Buyer Needs Advice

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

Welcome @Andrea Moren! 

There's lots to unpack here. But our advise on condo rentals in Toronto would be either #1 or #3. #1 is likely going to be cash flow negative however and you'll be banking on future market rent increases. #3 has been challenging because there are limited allocations (even for 1% agents like ourselves) and per sq ft costs have been rising rapidly. 

Generally, the outskirts of Toronto, while the prices have risen in step with condos in the downtown, rents have not. Making the price to rent ratios even worse than before.

I'd be happy to speak to you in depth about this - feel free to DM me!

Cheers,

Ming

Post: Deals in Toronto in 2019

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Tabish Bhimani - Awesome! I hope you found it helpful and informative. We really do try and focus on education.

@David Steinbok - I've sent you a DM with the meetup details. Even though I'm a Pro user, I'm not firm on what the rules are for sharing meetups publicly! :)I've also posted it on the Bigger Pockets marketplace.

Post: Toronto Canada Real Estate Market

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125
Originally posted by @Joseph Costanza:

@Ash Nahle & @Ming Lim 

If I could play the devil's advocate for a second. While I agree with your opinion that appreciation is a great wealth builder and should be considered as an important factor when making investment decisions, I would argue that there are a number of factors that should be considered first: economic growth, population growth, affordability etc. 

In no way am I an economist, or would ever claim to understand the true depth in being able to speak on these subjects, however I would estimate given the current economic climate that investing with appreciation as your primary source of growth would be a dangerous investment.

Perhaps this is a showcase of my own lack of experience, but I would rather invest in safer cash flowing assets until we see the economic correction everyone has been preaching about. 

I'm sure @Chad U. or @Jacob Perez may be able to substantiate my opinion. 

I completely agree! You should always invest in the fundamentals of populations growth and the factors that influence it. Good jobs, good local economy, net immigration, etc. If you're buying for the right fundamentals, your property values increase over time (again for small residential). My point being, if I was given two properties to invest in, one with a cap rate of 10% in a dying city vs 5%, but the 5% was in a growing city - I'll take the 5% cap rate any day.

Hope that clears things up! 

Cheers,

Ming

Post: Toronto Canada Real Estate Market

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125
Originally posted by @Chad U.:
Originally posted by @Ash Nahle:
Originally posted by @Ming Lim:

@Joseph Costanza @Nick Vazquez I'm a Toronto based investor and run a real estate investment firm. Yes, you can generate cash flow in the city, but it's not going to be like in the outskirts of the GTA. If you've read any of my posts before, I think cash flow is highly overrated. Not that cash flow isn't important, but rarely is there a full discussion on what cash flow means. It's a function of risk - the higher the cash on cash return, the higher the risk of the investment as a general rule.

The biggest returns in real estate for me have been through capital appreciation and where cash flow was enough to allow me to hold the property without issues. My highest cash flowing properties (I held 7 student rental properties in Waterloo at one point), had lower capital appreciation and therefore lower overall return compared to my Toronto properties. Time (mortgage paydown) and appreciation is really how big money is made. This means location (buying where jobs are, areas of gentrification, increased population)  is paramount when buying a property in my eyes. A couple of hundred dollar more or less per month, won't change my life, but a couple extra $100k's in appreciation makes a big difference.

This isn't to discount what others are saying about investing the outskirts of the GTA. I know many of them personally, and they to are successful at what they're doing. We've all become experts in our own areas of investing. 

At the end of the day, investing is an individual journey and anyone who tells you they've got the best investment for you, is wrong - you've got to figure that out for yourself.

Beautifully said, Ming!

 This has to be about the worst advice I have ever seen! Investing purely for appreciation is surely a way to get your rear handed to you. Every Market in history generally returns to its long-term mean. Chart out prices over the last 40 years in Toronto and you will see that it is far above that long-term trend. And Note what happened in 1990

To clarify, I'm not suggesting that you buy cash flow negative or neutral properties. It's impossible to expand a portfolio that way. I am suggesting that in the long term, capital appreciation nets greater returns. This is in regards to small residential and small multifamily. This doesn't apply to investments over 5 doors.

There is an overemphasis on buying cash flowing properties without considering other factors. Local economies, tenant profiles, local laws, etc, etc. People who are new to real estate investing might look at two properties, one with a 10% cap and one with a 5% cap. They all want the 10% cap - but it's a function of risk. You don't get more return without giving up something else. The market is smarter than that. There is always a reason for higher returns and I encourage everyone to ask why. 

Post: First Time investor Looking advice

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

Welcome to BP! There are definitely a few folks on here who are investors in SWO. I believe @Matt Geerts is invested down there. Hopefully you guys can connect!

Cheers,

Ming

Post: Toronto Canada Real Estate Market

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Nick Vazquez - If you don't need the cash flow now, it's better off to build a large amount of capital so you're able to buy better cash flowing investments later on. Commercial, large multifamily, etc. Or even fully paid off small multifamily. These kinds of investments can have favourable rental terms (commercial) and/or take advantage of economies of scale.

As for Toronto's near future, it's tough to say. The fundamentals are there - good job market, good local economy, ever increasing immigration. However, on the macro level, Canada as a whole isn't very strong right now and there is tons of volatility. I see the downtown core remaining strong and the data that we track is showing the same (we track like for like houses, on a neighbourhood by neighbourhood basis. The suburbs however, still aren't showing signs of recovery.

That said, don't invest for the short term. It's near impossible to predict the market in the short term. Invest in the fundamentals over a long period of time and you'll always win.

Post: Deals in Toronto in 2019

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Florence Lee - We have a proper link in the market place now for our meetup! It's still using meetup.com, but it's posted here on BP as well. https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/521/topics/65...

@Joel Arndt and @Frankie Woods - Feel free to DM me and I can send over the slides showing the case study that we put together on Flo's property. Caveat though, the market is pretty dynamic as well as the mortgage qualification rules. We've been adapting our investment strategies as a result.