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Post: Does your CPA charge you for a few questions over email?

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Originally posted by @Scott Mac:
You changed CPA's over a $200 invoice... ???
The one's I've known ALL charge for book keeping guidance.
It's like going into the 7-11 and expecting free coffee and doughnuts because you fill up your car.
It's part of what they "Sell" to make a living.
He was out of line. He switched on me, after saying "please let me know if there is are any other questions I can help you with". Then sent me a $210 invoice without telling me his consultation costs, and threatened legal trouble. My cousin is a small business lawyer, and he sent him a letter about what he did wrong and that this invoice is disputed and that I am not to be charged. The CPA ended up not charging me and that was that. Happy ending 😎
Post: Does your CPA charge you for a few questions over email?

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Originally posted by @Linda Weygant:
I agree with @Basit Siddiqi - it's all relative.
I tell my clients that asking questions is generally free, if they send it in an email and it's not urgent and it doesn't require me to perform calculations or perform any research. I prefer email questions because I can put off answering until I have time rather than having my work interrupted with a phone call.
For example, if a client asks "how does a 1031 exchange work", I can actually just copy/paste some information I have on hand about that and send it over and I don't bill for that kind of questions. (That also comes with a referral to a great 1031 facilitator)
But if they say "I'm thinking about doing a 1031 on 123 Main St, how much would my tax liability be if I just sold it outright instead?", that's completely different. I then bill out for answering that questions because I need to perform calculations and consider many different facets of their particular situation before I answer the question. However, I do always let my client know when they've asked a billable question and make sure I have their consent before I start work.
I think what happened for the OP is that the questions were becoming too frequent and too time consuming (in the CPAs mind). Or perhaps came on a deadline day or otherwise caught the CPA at a bad time.
I've outlined the differences as well in a reply to another comment. I asked him such questions like "write off vehicle rate, the answer is 58c/km". He was definitely out of line, and my cousin is a small business lawyer and sent him a letter. Pointed out that baiting people at the end of letters by saying "feel free to let me know if you have anymore questions" and not pointing out his consultation costs, and 1 of his answers were incorrect in the emails that I am not to be charged and is a disputed invoice. The CPA has decided not to charge me and that was that.
Post: Does your CPA charge you for a few questions over email?

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Originally posted by @Eamonn McElroy:
I always tell prospects that ask that question: "Assume everything is billable. Sometimes I don't charge for an email or phone call at my discretion, but that is the exception to the rule, not the rule itself."
Tax professionals, attorneys, etc. Our time is how we make money. If we didn't charge for emails and calls, for all clients (because it would have to be all clients to be fair right?), we would be working for free for a large chunk of the year.
If you are a non-resident alien (I can't tell but I think you're hinting in your post), you'll want to make sure your CPA is well versed in the US tax obligations applicable to that fact pattern. The penalties for even non-negligent non-compliance in this area are large.
Thank you for your response. In my circumstance, I sign a W-8 form with Amazon and I report my earnings with CRA.
I am arguing for the fact that if you were to pick up the phone, and intentionally hold a call for 2 hours and than say "hey, thanks for calling, I'm going to send you an invoice, and oh yeah, you don't know my rate and that I was charging you but the cost is now $210. Sir, what's your email?". Any consumer would feel a little cheated. Especially when I asked questions that didn't require much at all like "what is the vehicle mileage gas write-off rate? the answer is 58c". I could have found that myself, but it's always more direct answer from an accountant and because so many answers are mixed between Canadian and US search results, it really is easier to just ask an accountant for factual information.
It's another thing if I were to say "can you help me calculate my cost of acquisition and total everything up, I need help with my gross revenue as well, can you also throw in net revenue? Let's also go over my business plan and model for tax planning and while I'm at it, why don't you just calculate everything? It's free right?". Okay, that's not free.
I get that "it's the exception to the rule and not the rule itself" but a little bit of good faith is normally expected. I have also asked the same question to some other forums and most people would agree that, small routine questions are uncharged for. So in my circumstance, I feel like it's warranted that I dispute his invoice with integrity.
Post: Does your CPA charge you for a few questions over email?

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So recently, I was going to use a CPA for a corporate tax return. He outlined that book keeping was $45/hr and corporate tax would be $500, and any additional costs to file to USA would be determined later. I told him I am all new to this and pre-revenue at this moment and I'd like to ask a few questions and asked if I could count on him to help me through a little bit of book keeping and he encouraged me to ask some questions by ending with "If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask". Weeks go by, I ask about 4 questions throughout the span of 2 months. He then suspiciously asks for my corporate legal entity name and address then proceeds to send me a full page about "this is not how it works and I am going to take legal action against you if you don't pay this invoice of $210". He never outlined his consultation service costs, and I have not made any agreement/contract to take on his services. I did not know that these emails were going to be charged and I did not demand for him to answer these questions. I found a new CPA and he is charging me even less at $450 for the corporate return and told me that he won't charge for consultation at all and encourages me to ask questions. The new CPA even told me directly that he will not charge for asking questions and feel free to email him. I am currently disputing with the other CPA over emails about this charge, what do you guys think?
Post: Does your CPA charge you for a few questions over email?

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So recently, I was going to use a CPA for a corporate tax return. He outlined that book keeping was $45/hr and corporate tax would be $500, and any additional costs to file to USA would be determined later. I told him I am all new to this and pre-revenue at this moment and I'd like to ask a few questions and asked if I could count on him to help me through a little bit of book keeping and he encouraged me to ask some questions by ending with "If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask". Weeks go by, I ask about 4 questions throughout the span of 2 months. He then suspiciously asks for my corporate legal entity name and address then proceeds to send me a full page about "this is not how it works and I am going to take legal action against you if you don't pay this invoice of $210". He never outlined his consultation service costs, and I have not made any agreement/contract to take on his services. I did not know that these emails were going to be charged and I did not demand for him to answer these questions. I found a new CPA and he is charging me even less at $450 for the corporate return and told me that he won't charge for consultation at all and encourages me to ask questions. The new CPA even told me directly that he will not charge for asking questions and feel free to email him. I am currently disputing with the other CPA over emails about this charge, what do you guys think?