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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Moyer

Ryan Moyer has started 11 posts and replied 863 times.

Post: Purchasing a STR in the Kissimmee/Championsgate Disney area

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Originally posted by @Giovanni Pisano:

@Ryan Moyer

Those numbers look great, congrats. Thank you for sharing. How far is it from Disney?

 It is in Champions Gate.  So about 9 miles, or 45 minutes with traffic :P

Post: Purchasing a STR in the Kissimmee/Championsgate Disney area

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Originally posted by @Giovanni Pisano:

@Ryan Moyer

I’m curious how much an 8 bedroom is in that area? Are you willing to share your numbers?

I bought it at 568k in May and renovated it, going live in October.

The same house is probably closer to $650k now.

"Renovations" were an arcade garage build, and two Disney themed rooms with custom bunk beds, slide, etc.  I spent $20k on the arcade garage, $20k on the main theme room, and $5k on the other more lightly themed room.

Post: Purchasing a STR in the Kissimmee/Championsgate Disney area

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I bought one of the 8 BRs in Champions Gate this year and themed it out all Disney style, which I think is a necessity in this market.

I just launched it a couple weeks ago and already have about $10k on the books for Nov and $11k for Dec.  Shoot me a PM if you have any questions, happy to help fellow BP members entering the market.

Also make sure you note that AirBnB/VRBO collect/remit Florida taxes in the area, but DO NOT collect Osceola tourist taxes (about 6%).  I see that most new listings are not charging this which means they're going to get hit with a surprise tax bill at the end of the year.

Post: What Triggers Self-Employment Tax on Short-Term Rentals

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I thought it was something about 750 hours spent per year.  But someone better versed will have to verify that.

Post: Gas prices and economy

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Originally posted by @Ken Boone:


From FDR himself...

“In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.

By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.”

But that's even beyond the scope of what we're talking about here.  We're all spoiled because back in our day we could work 15 hours a week at Hardees and pay our entire college tuition and room and board.  Now someone working 40 hours a week at the same job can barely even pay rent with it in a lot of places.

And stuff like virtual kiosks at McDonald's are coming either way.  Those were being put in long before the minimum wage moved at all.  Not that it really matters because the issue is not a shortage of jobs, it's a shortage of people willing to live like animals so we can get our burgers 30 seconds faster.  

But anyway, we're a long ways off-topic from "how will rising gas prices affect STRs", so I'll let this go :P

Post: Gas prices and economy

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Originally posted by @Kyle Alexander:
Originally posted by @Matthew Paul:

High fuel prices will affect everything , it is already happening . Food is up , materials are up , etc . A lot has to do with transportation costs .  I can see people staying closer to home or having staycations . 

It cost me $100 to fill my truck now , it was $65 . ( I fill up 3 times a week I run 3 trucks ) I pass that cost to my customers .  Now the 9 to 5 person cant do that . My wife showed me how much food has gone up .  For the average person , that money has to come from somewhere , and thats discretionary spending . The vacation money may be gone before vacation time 

Inflation is rampant and will only accelerate. With the fed recklessly printing, it’s only a matter of time. The only reason hyperinflation isn’t here is because we are exporting all our inflation overseas. What happens when foreign governments and entities stop subsidizing our over consumption via treasury purchases and all those dollars return home?

Agreed.  Gas prices ebb and flow and are actually cheaper right now than they were 10 years ago, so it seems extremely silly to me to blame inflation on that.

I'm no economist, but something like 60% of all USD currently in circulation having been printed since the start of 2020 seems the much more likely culprit.  And while I understand the fed doing QE to support the stock market when the bottom was falling out I have no idea why it has still continued when the the market was back on ATHs more than a year ago.

Post: Gas prices and economy

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Originally posted by @Bruce Woodruff:
Originally posted by @Ryan Moyer:

 To me, only because these people are not getting other, better paying jobs.....they are choosing to not work at all...

Whether it's other jobs, or trading crypto, or making online dropshipping businesses, or whatever it is they found better ways to make money just like everyone had been sarcastically telling them to for 20 years.

This "labor shortage" is something we earned.  Decades of catch-up.  The local ski resort here recently posted that they were canceling the summer concert series because they couldn't find workers "even though we're offering great wages and a sign-on bonus".  It was a pity post, looking for people to bash lazy millennials for them on Facebook.  But their ex-employees were pretty quick to point out the problem.  10 years ago they were making $7/hr and could buy a home nearby for $150k, or find any of a bunch of LTRs available at reasonable rates.  Now they can sign-on for a $250 one-time bonus and $15/hr (twice as much!) but the cheapest home nearby is $1m+ and there are pretty much zero long-term rentals in the valley because it's nothing but vacation homes.

Everything has been rising quickly the last couple decades except wages for low wage workers.  The idea we can just double it real quick and make up for all that lost ground, especially for a new generation that has found dozens of creative ways to make money that way we don't even understand (anyone minted any NFTs lately?) was doomed from the start, imo.

Post: Gas prices and economy

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Originally posted by @John Underwood:
Originally posted by @Ken Boone:

The biggest problem that can impact the smokies in my opinion is the labor shortage.  People do not want to work these jobs that are needed to support the tourist industry.  All of the restaurants are impacted, the tourist locations are impacted, everything is impacted by the labor shortage.  Businesses in that area are making changes, for instance some of the Starbucks in PF shorted there hours because no one even applies for the jobs they have open.  Recently, Steak n Shake in PF stopped having someone seat you, you now go to the counter to order and then they installed a drink machine so you get it yourself.  All because of not having workers.  Last week I saw an add out in front of one of the restaurants in town that said, "Now Hiring, Someone who will show up"  Next problem is going to be a shortage of cleaners and service people.  They are already overworked and lots of new cabins coming online.

 I agree.  Hopefully this is a relative short term problem. 

I have seen several fast foods places offer large hiring bonuses to try and get employees.

The place I just stayed at in Myrtle Beach had linens as optional. This saves on time making beds and time or expense of laundry. I could see things like this possibly becoming a necessity if the labor market doesn't pick up.

I'm not sure it will be short term.  We're catching up on decades of real estate and living costs rising hundreds of percent while wages for these types of jobs remained stagnant or increased slowly.  When they complained everyone told them to find a better way to make money if they didn't like it, and now they have.

I'm not sure why $25/hr and no one jumping at it is interested is surprising.  Real estate and living costs in some of these places have increased by 1000% or more since they were making $7/hr there 15 years ago.  A lot of places are flumoxed they can't find someone to flip burgers for $15/hr or whatever, as if a 100% increase in wages when rent/living costs have increased by 800% is somehow a great deal.

Post: Gas prices and economy

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Markets are back on ATHs after the greatest 6 month bull run in history, and everyone seems to have more money than they know what to do with.  Adults have gobs of money from the market and kids have gobs of money from crypto and meme stocks.  I am not really worried about gas prices affecting travel personally.

That's not even to mention a lot of the people we're booking at high rates are people that are going on driving vacations because the international vacations they usually spend $10k-$15k on are closed right now.  I doubt they stress too much about gas prices especially since they've all probably made huge coin in the markets.

Post: First Short Term Rental Location

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When I looked into it a while back it seemed to me like Blue Ridge was 80% of the prices in the Smokies with 50% of the revenue.  But that may have been flawed or may have changed since then since obviously people are still buying there a lot.