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All Forum Posts by: Mike Henderson

Mike Henderson has started 5 posts and replied 70 times.

Post: Condo buying question

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16

Let's talk about the difference between an HOA and a condo. I agree with most investors here to stay away from HOA's.

What I will absolutely say, is stay away from condos. There are new Fannie/Freddie financing rules that are going to make it a royal pain to get financing. Even if you pay cash and want to sell someday this issue will bite you in the butt.

Post: How to work with realtors?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by Scott M.:
And manage your expectations property - meaning most realtors just don't get it. I know it may not make sense - heck - it doesn't make sense.

As someone here on BP said once if you find a good Realtor consider an informal marriage - they are that rare.

Not saying you can't find them but don't be afraid to play the field to find the one to marry.

Plus pay them - pay them well and often and don't ask for deals.


Jon Holdman and I are teaching a class tomorrow in Denver (It's listed under Bigger Pockets events) We would like to quote you. I think it's the best quote in Bigger Pockets on the topic

Post: 14,000 and counting!

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16

That's great and awesome. I remember when Josh and Jon Holdman were number 1 and 2 in posts made.

Congrats. I have always enjoyed your posts.

Post: How to work with realtors?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16

This has been a really good thread.

Three things I would to point out. Been a while since I said anything on this thread.

1) The ethics issue - It's like the old moral problem from college philosophy and psychology classes ( can't remember the name) would you steal medicine to give to a sick child. Might not be that extreme, LOL, but the premise is the same.

On a side note I know a way around this. It gets the investor what they want and complies with the mls rules. PM if you want to know, don't really want to talk about it on a public forum.

2) The mls is available on other sources. True. In Colorado the mls is available on www.recolorado.com This is the public front of the mls that they control. One big factor is that it is not the same. The information is not as detailed. The search functionality is much more limited. When I find the actual property I'm missing it's listing history etc. So while it can help you out I would still want/demand more information.

3) Jon Holdman's point about the Realtor going away. I should write a blog on that point. I truly don't think that will happen to be the case. Ironically the government almost always keeps us in business. The contract is long, semi complicated, and generally changes every six months. The governement by trying to protect consumers has made the process so complicated that we have guaranteed ourselves a job. The percentage of homes that is sold without an agent has actually gone down over the years. (Since the mid 90's, dawn of the Internet).

It is also true that commission is being pressured down; Internet, alternate business models, REO and short sales. I really don't see agents going away. Property is so unique, each one is different, that people need an expert.

My $.02 (The bank will probably try to cut that too.)

Post: How to work with realtors?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by hakchinoy:
Jose is soooooooooo right about "most people would rather die than admit they don't know something." I also have run into hundreds of Realtors/agents/brokers who told me (and others) that I couldn't do something that I actually knew that I could do. I usually silenced them by referring them back to the relevant law(s).

For example, I once told a Realtor that I wanted to write certain terms on a contract, and explained that handwritten terms trump the legal verbiage in a contract according to contract law. He admitted he was unaware of that, and he check with his broker. His broker told him that I was wrong, and I referred him several links including ones from Harvard and Standford citing that law.

Like Ryan, I read every line of every page--including the fine print, and I'll hire a real-estate attorney to interpret the provisions that I don't understand.

I used to find it quite difficult to work with Realtors until I changed my approach. I found that most Realtors had a greater issue with writing multiple offers rather than writing low offers, and of course many of them also had issues with writing low offers. Now, I'll send a copy of my business and marketing plans to any new agents that I intend to qualify, and I'll ask them for a copy of their marketing plan. I explain that I'll use LOIs and I won't have him/her to write up anything until after I have an accepted LOI, and I won't schedule any visits for properties that I don't already have under contract.

We need to realize that a Realtor's time is his/her most valuable asset, and a little consideration goes a long way.


Your comments were great and I gave you a thumbs up. I find your comments humorous about agreeing with Jose. I work with investors, so I know the answers to most of their questions. If I don't know I'm not ashamed to say, "I don't know, but I'll find out and get back to you." Strictly from a liability viewpoint that's what people should say. Ethically they should have that as a standard. I'll trust you guys on this because even if I'm working with another agent as an investor, I always disclose that I'm an agent as well. Top three things you can do in this industry to stay out of trouble; disclose, disclose, disclose.

Yes read the contracts, every word, I actually do this as an agent. I also stress to my clients that it is there deal, and they are responsible for reading it. If you don't understand anything, get an attorney.

Yes agents are most concerned with the quantity of offers. It takes time. No matter what the price is, it still takes the same amount of time to make the offer.

What I really liked most about your post was presenting your business and marketing plans to your agent. Everyone should do that. Let me make sure I understand your strategy, and that I'm comfortable doing it. If you want a 100 offers a week sent with these terms is different than let's drive around and look at ten houses to see which ones you want to make offers on. A relationship between two parties is all based on expectations. As an agent I have certain expectations of my investors and I go over them.

As for a marketing plan. I've got a 17 page business, plan I'm not sure you want to read the whole thing. I do have a one page document that summarizes how I work with investors. Most people don't like reading documents so I try to make it short.

Let me know if you are ever thinking about investing in Denver, CO.

Post: How to work with realtors?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by Jon C.:
I'm not sure how to approach a realtor for assistance, as all I really want is their MLS access. As a beginner, I am just wholesaling, so there would be a lot of low offers, along with little commision. Since a finder's fee may not be kosher, what if I wrote up the offers and forwarded them thru the realtor to sign and forward to the seller? They get their commission, do nothing but sign and fax, and give me MLS access.

Maybe I could post an ad on Craigslist? Is it unethical to outright ask for their mls access? Is that something that is more hush-hush that should be approached once you have a conversation with them?


A few points from a real estate agent and investor. As a beginner do you want the help of an agent? I know it seems ridiculous that you need an agent to help. If you are new it might be necessary though. In Colorado we have a fairly long real estate agent with all sorts of tips and traps. Do you feel confident in filling out a legally binding contract where your earnest money can be at risk? Have you read the contract to buy and sell in your state? Do you understand it? Can you fill it out properly?

If this thread gets bumped I'm sure that somebody will blast me about you don't need an agent etc. I'll even agree that a lot of the experienced investors don't and probably understand more than an agent, but you said you were new.

MLS access. In all probability, again I'm not familiar with your local mls, but it is likely to be a violation of your local mls agreement for an agent to give you access. Is it done in the real world? Of course it is.

Don't advertise on Craigslist the way you have it written. i.e. I just want your mls access. Agents can be a petty bunch and some agent would look to bust your agent. An ad like "I'm an investor who makes a lot of offers on property and looking for an agent who is experienced and comfortable working with investors." I think your best source is going to your local REI clubs. I know that I go to network at several of our local REI clubs and that is how I get clients. There are a several other agents that do that as well. These people would be the most likely to set up a relationship of the type you want.

P.S. In Denver, CO agents are charged $3 an hour for using the mls.

Post: What components are in your credibility kit?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16

I am pro credibility kit. I fail to see a single downside. I'm assuming you are trying a one call close. A credibility kit can only help. If it's not a one call close and you have to come back or whatever, a credibility kit can only help.

Post: click2mail.com - alternatives?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16

That website mentioned here www.postcardmania.com looked pretty good. Deal I saw was 5000 postcards for $300. Make sure your message is perfect before you order that many.

Post: Direct Mailing? Any Progress?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16

I'm real curious about your approach. I found a company for the NED's here in Colorado. I'm a licensed real estate agent and that is how I'm potentially approaching these people.

I'm mostly wondering of what your postcard will say or what the image is. I'm trying to figure it out and came here to Bigger Pockets. I thought this was a great thread and didn't want to start my own.

Post: How to work with realtors?

Mike HendersonPosted
  • Residential Lender
  • Littleton, CO
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 16

Preach it about the benefits of the agent. The lowball offers might have to do with the local market. Denver is an incredibly hot market right now for investment properties. I picked up a client who wants to write a bunch of lowball offers. I'm willing to see how it works out.

One reason I'm willing to write a bunch of lowball offers is I have an automated process that I can generate an offer in five minutes (at the most).

One of the things investors don't realize, is that the laws are different in every state. Colorado also rewrites its contracts every six months. Whether by design or an unintended consequence is that real estate agents are needed more than ever.

When Carlton Sheets was pitching his stuff the contract to buy and sell was one or two pages.

Make sure you read and understand the contract before you make a decision on whether you need an agent or not.