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All Forum Posts by: Nathan Grabau

Nathan Grabau has started 2 posts and replied 561 times.

Post: Absolute NNN lease

Nathan GrabauPosted
  • Realtor
  • Longmont, CO
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You could assume you are able to refi at a lower rate. Maybe you put more money down so it will cashflow. You are paying down the loan. And you benefit from a very safe long term investment that is not going to take much effort. When people put management costs into their single family or small multifamily underwriting, and then put a number in for their time, very few strong markets, like Austin, cash flow anymore. 

Post: Can my LLC "buy" a property from me?

Nathan GrabauPosted
  • Realtor
  • Longmont, CO
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Quote from @Alex L.:
Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

You could certainly sell your properties from you to your LLC and transfer through a special warranty deed. This is going to make it look like a sale. It is important that the sale takes place at full price. It is even possible that you could take out new debt(that you would likely have to personally guarantee) from a local bank against these properties. Only down side is the transfer is going to be more expensive.

That all being said, I do not know of anyone who would be savvy enough to know what the quit claim deed was for, but would not be savvy enough to figure out that you owned the LLC.


Thanks, Nathan. The thought process is that if someone were to look up said property on the auditor website, and see that the LLC "purchased" it from myself for a reasonable market price, then that someone would not make any direct connection between myself and the LLC. The LLC in question is anonymous, in that when looked up on the state registry it does not show ownership or management information -- only that the Registered Agent and individual authorized to form the LLC is an attorney's office. So, is someone were to look up the LLC, they wouldn't be able to tie me to it with a simple Google or business registry search.

On the other hand, if someone saw that the property was simply transferred to the LLC for $0 from myself, then it makes it pretty obvious that I'm the only behind the LLC because who on earth would practically give a property away to a company?

Now I just need to figure out tax implications.


Some states require registrations of out of state LLC's to operate in them. For example, even though Iowa law did not require it, my lender in Iowa required that I register my Colorado based LLC that holds property in Iowa, with the Iowa SOS. Just some food for thought that anonymity really does not exist, in anyway that is meaningful. Just some other examples:

If you self manage, reverse phone number search... historic property tax bills... an asset search... LLC skip tracing.

I would spend more time working through the "why do I need anonymity?" question before you spend a ton of money and get hit with cap gains tax and all these other things. Most likely, that why, leads to an answer of being concerned with someone who is sophisticated enough to find you even through the LLC.

Post: Trying to find a handyman in Polk County, FL

Nathan GrabauPosted
  • Realtor
  • Longmont, CO
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Have you check thumbtack to see if there is someone who can do the job you need? 

Post: anyone here ever use TextMagic?

Nathan GrabauPosted
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  • Longmont, CO
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I have not used textmagic, but I do use twilio and am very happy with the software. 

Post: Can my LLC "buy" a property from me?

Nathan GrabauPosted
  • Realtor
  • Longmont, CO
  • Posts 577
  • Votes 632

You could certainly sell your properties from you to your LLC and transfer through a special warranty deed. This is going to make it look like a sale. It is important that the sale takes place at full price. It is even possible that you could take out new debt(that you would likely have to personally guarantee) from a local bank against these properties. Only down side is the transfer is going to be more expensive.

That all being said, I do not know of anyone who would be savvy enough to know what the quit claim deed was for, but would not be savvy enough to figure out that you owned the LLC.

Post: Starting out with $100,000

Nathan GrabauPosted
  • Realtor
  • Longmont, CO
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I would recommend purchasing a 4 plex with a 3.5% down FHA loan. You likely do not spin off a ton of cash, but it continues the trend of you living below your means, and allows you to continue to hold cash while continuing to save money. While this is not guaranteed, I think you will have the opportunity to refi out of the FHA loan and PMI at some point in the next 12 months, when the Fed realizes it has over tightened and has to cut rates.

Even if this does not happen though, it is extremely unlikely that rents fall in a meaningful way making this a very safe bet for you guys to reduce or eliminate your housing expense, allowing you to save money. 

Post: First Time Landlord - Tenant Requests

Nathan GrabauPosted
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  • Longmont, CO
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Have you looked at the black substance on the fridge? I would get your eyes on it to confirm it is a smug/ sharpie and not mold. Assuming it is just some kind of stain, I would not fix it. I personally probably would not fix the gutter issue or the broken shelf in the fridge, assuming water is not dripping above an entrance and the shelf is not that bad. 

I would delay, say you can be out in a few days to look at them, see if the list gets longer and reevaluate. You can always stop giving cookies if you are concerned about the give the mouse a cookie situation. 

Post: Snowbirds vs traveling nurses

Nathan GrabauPosted
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  • Longmont, CO
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Quote from @Afoma Okwudiafor:
Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I cater to anyone who would like to lease my MTRs and is qualified. I currently have people in mine that had a firework explosion in their neighbors garage and are living in the house while theirs is being repaired! 


 Did they find you through airbnb and furnished finder? Or are you marketing to insurance clients?


 Insurance claim leads came through Zillow. I know that some insurance placement companies use Corporate Housing by Owner too. 

Post: Real Estate Investing vs Student Loans

Nathan GrabauPosted
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  • Longmont, CO
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For me this depends on the interest rate that you are paying for your student loans. Since you have the cash to pay them down that quickly, you have a pretty good monthly buffer so if anything did go wrong you are in a very good cash position. 

I recently audited my properties performance from last year, which was not really that great of a year for RE, and my properties returned around 25%. So the question becomes, do you want to pay off debt with a 5% interest rate and lose access to making 20%+ in Real Estate. 

This actually is a decision that is completely okay to go either way on. I got myself a little over leveraged for my liking, so I am in a de leveraging mode. But my wife is currently in school, not really working, and we are paying a lot of money each month for her school, so our cashflow situation is a little different. With your situation, I would feel pretty comfortable continuing to leverage more. 

Post: Seller Financing Cash Out?

Nathan GrabauPosted
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  • Longmont, CO
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@Jonathan Taylor makes a great point here. On 50k, 4.125% vs even 9% is only 200 a month. If the loan balance was larger, I would be more worried about the rate change, but the rate going up on that 50k should not be a factor.