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All Forum Posts by: Nicholas Barker

Nicholas Barker has started 1 posts and replied 5 times.

Quote from @Champ Leong:

What resource do I use to find out if my area will sustain a new/converted 3 or 4 plex? Is there enough demand in my area?


There are a few really quick & simple things you can look for...

1. Have you noticed if the local rent rates have been steadily increasing as of lately? Or do they appear to be the same they were several years ago. 

2. Have you driven around your local area to see if there are any "For Rent" signs posted in every other yard? 

3. Are there any local discussion boards (FaceBook/forums etc.) or investor/landlord groups, in your area where you can see vacant properties that landlords are attempting to fill? If there are and each page/board is loaded with vacancies that they are begging people to fill, then the area could be slightly saturated.

One thing for sure, individuals are always going to need somewhere to stay, and even though rates are still near 50+ year lows, they are rising and this will scare some people off from making a 30 year commitment on a mortgage. All this to say, I feel there will always be a demand for rentals regardless of (most) areas, historical trends, etc.

Hope this made sense and helps! 

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

Have you stayed in a few AirBnB rentals? VRBO? Have you stayed in the big city and then compared that to a place in the country near a tourist attraction? What was your experience?

I've stayed in a dozen or more AirBnB rentals, all of them in major cities (Austin, Dallas, Riverside, LA, Denver, Nashville, Orlando, etc.). Over half of them were illegally operated (in violation of HOA rules, city/county zoning, etc.). One of them was shut down the day before I arrived to check in (two days before Christmas in LA). Every single one of them, without exception, was poorly set up. One was a 3bed/2bath unit set up for ten guests, but it had a small 3.8 cubic foot dorm fridge that couldn't hold fit a gallon of milk and they didn't have a single picture, clock, or other decoration on any of the walls. They're usually filled with low-quality furniture that is uncomfortable and sometimes even unusable, like my latest that had four wicker chairs with no cushions so the broken pieces of wicker stabbed my backside every time I sat down. No guest book or welcome instructions. Terrible amenities (e.g. record table and classic records prominently featured in the advertising of a Nashville condo, but no speakers!). Just $300 could have made all these locations much more comfortable and welcoming, but the hosts just don't seem to care. They they all have 5-star reviews as if they've gone above and beyond.

I've also stayed in a few rentals found on VRBO or through private owners. Every single one of them, without exception, has been been legally operated, well furnished, and the owner goes above and beyond to make the stay special.

Am I just unlucky with AirBnB? Do big-city guests just not care? What has your experience been?


 Hi Nathan! We regularly stay in both Airbnb's and VRBO listed properties (more-so Airbnb due to the markets we look in primarily). I unfortunately have had poor experiences in properties using both platforms, but I will say it does appear to be more prevalent on Airbnb listed properties than VRBO. From my experience, most of the time but definitely not all of the time, Airbnb's seem to be more of the niche market, shorter 1 or 2 night stay kind of places, whereas VRBO listed properties seem to be more true vacation rentals that owners have invested deeply in. That being said I have stayed in some really crummy VRBO's and some absolutely killer Airbnb's.

I agree with your statement, on Airbnb, it does appear to be more of a "I watched 3 episodes of Robuilt on YouTube so I can Airbnb too!" kind of mentality rather than a "This is MY business, and I need to genially invest my time, money and efforts deeply into the property to make it work long-term" kind of mentality.

Full transparency, I got most of my initiative for my STR's also from YouTube individuals such as Rob Abasolo and Tony J. Robinson which has then led me to BiggerPockets but, I believe the key difference is the individual deciding whether or not the want to make this a genuine lifestyle shift and run it like a true business or if they are, like you stated, only wanting and hoping for some fast cash. The market I'm in, Smoky Mountains TN, I get 10 to 1 bookings on Airbnb versus VRBO. Unlike the properties you have mentioned though, we have invested quite a bit to make them well furnished/decorated/stocked vacation type rentals, so it is working out very well for us on both platforms.

I hope this helps and made sense, also thanks for all the value you bring to the forums!

Quote from @Nancy Bachety:

One of our condo's has the same no pets policy but they are rewording and rethinking their terminology to more accurately reflect the current ADA language. They (HOA) have zero legs to stand on if said guest answered it was a service animal and answered correctly if asked what service the animal provides. You cannot be fined either.


Thanks for that bit of info Nancy, I will suggest our HOA do the same to implement language differentiating these compliances.

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Nicholas Barker:

Hello all! Let me preface by saying, I know the "Pet Policy" discussion has been beaten so hard and frequently, but upon searching the forums, I couldn't find any threads directly relating to this issue. If there are, I greatly apologize and if you could link it, I will happily take my knowledge search there.

Anyhow, I currently own two condo units in the smoky mountains in TN that operate solely as vacation rental/STR's. Both units are in the same complex where the HOA has a VERY strict "No Pet Policy". I have clearly stated in my listing that no pets are allowed on the premise per the HOA by-laws. I recently ran into an issue where a guest brought an ESA and I was notified by the HOA that they were aware a guest had a dog and reiterated that no pets are allowed. I responded explaining that I was aware of the rule, and my listing explicitly stated no pets are to be present and went into further detail after talking with the guest (who didn't notify me of the animal beforehand) that they stated it was an ESA.

I am seeking advice on how to handle this situation with both the guest as well as the HOA. Do I have to allow ESA's even when I have a no pet policy and the HOA has a blatant no questions asked no pets policy on the entire premise (which I believe I do and I understand) and if so, how should I respond to the antiquated HOA that doesn't seem to grasp this concept.

Thank you all in advance!


Service animals (e.g. guide dog for the blind) are covered by ADA and must be permitted in public spaces, defined as an inn, hotel, motel, or a lodging offering short-term rentals that operate similarly to a hotel. 

Emotional Support Animals are covered by Fair Housing, which has to do with a permanent residence like a long-term rental. ESAs are not covered by ADA and therefore you have no obligation to permit them. This guest is in violation of the HOA rules and your rental policy, and could be subject to whatever penalties they agreed to.

I recommend you do some research on this and somehow mention this in your rental agreement along with a penalty for violations.


 Thank you for the reply and info!

Hello all! Let me preface by saying, I know the "Pet Policy" discussion has been beaten so hard and frequently, but upon searching the forums, I couldn't find any threads directly relating to this issue. If there are, I greatly apologize and if you could link it, I will happily take my knowledge search there.

Anyhow, I currently own two condo units in the smoky mountains in TN that operate solely as vacation rental/STR's. Both units are in the same complex where the HOA has a VERY strict "No Pet Policy". I have clearly stated in my listing that no pets are allowed on the premise per the HOA by-laws. I recently ran into an issue where a guest brought an ESA and I was notified by the HOA that they were aware a guest had a dog and reiterated that no pets are allowed. I responded explaining that I was aware of the rule, and my listing explicitly stated no pets are to be present and went into further detail after talking with the guest (who didn't notify me of the animal beforehand) that they stated it was an ESA.

I am seeking advice on how to handle this situation with both the guest as well as the HOA. Do I have to allow ESA's even when I have a no pet policy and the HOA has a blatant no questions asked no pets policy on the entire premise (which I believe I do and I understand) and if so, how should I respond to the antiquated HOA that doesn't seem to grasp this concept.

Thank you all in advance!