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All Forum Posts by: Paul V.

Paul V. has started 8 posts and replied 41 times.

Post: Chicago Condo Conversion Pre-construction Flip

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29

@Jonathan Klemm Great point.  I made a career transition in 2008 away from residential brokerage in Chicago.. My perception was that the fundamentals were not strong.  I'm glad to see that prices finally returned back to their levels in late 2021....   

I'm curious to get your read on the Chicago market during Covid..Since moving to Denver I have been able to take part in the appreciation party here, mostly driven by population growth... It looks like Chicago's population levels are still shaky.  

What fundamentals drove appreciation in Chicago during Covid?

@Alex Molina It depends.  What are your plans for the cash? Once you have a vision for how to use that cash, the right answers will flow from there.  

Post: Smart advice (one rental VS multiple)

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29

@Baha El Far. Great question.  My answer, is that it depends on what your personal financial goals are.  I'm not sure what your time horizon is, or your goals are, but happy to give a high level approach.

To overgeneralize, there are two ends of the spectrum when it comes to investing in Real Estate as part of a financial plan:

1. Long term equity growth - Generally the approach for investors that are younger and have a longer term horizon.  If this is your goal, go with option #1, buy 2 properties

2. Cash flow - Generally this is for investors that have built a large enough amount of wealth that they will get meaningful income from the cash flow of a property at a 5% to 10% cap rate (dividend rate) that will get them closer to retirement.  If this is your situation, you should pay off the loan and go with #2

Many people start with approach #1, and when they have grown their equity, transition it to #2. 


Hope this helps!

Post: Seeking advice on next investment move

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Dustin Lauer:

@Paul V. Syndications capitalizing Mezz / LP positions are behind senior debt. Senior debt is paying 10%+ these days the extra 2-5% of possibility isn’t worth it to me.

@Dustin Lauer Nice! My long term money can get 10% in the S&P, so the extra 5% is worth it to me for a small portion of my portfolio that is allocated for higher risk/reward with a solid operator.

Post: House hacking in Denver and what areas to target

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29

@Jacob Munson Glad to have you join the community in Denver.  Pretty exciting times with the Nuggets winning it all last night.  @Ryan Thomson - I can't remember, is it the Colorado Springs Nuggets? nah - I didn't think so JKJK!

Are you looking for a city environment or a suburban one? 

We own properties in Lowry, 5 Points and Cheesman/Congress Park.  Happy to answer any additional questions that you might have.  

Post: Monthly mortgage is greater than rent - What to do?

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Richard Rohrbough:
Quote from @Albert Hasson:
Quote from @Richard Rohrbough:
Quote from @Bill B.:

Your property taxes are increasing $1800? (From negative $150 to negative $300/mo). That’s not good. A bad year for me is a couple hundred more. 

What I meant but the “if $151/mo would make all the difference” comment is if you had it, you couldn’t count on it. A fridge, a furnace, an ac unit could go bad and it would all be gone. So if you NEED that $151, this isn’t the property for you, you can’t afford it. 

One of my best investments was negative $800/mo cashflow. But I was paying off $1,500/mo in principle with a low interest 15 year mortgage. I was making $8k while showing a taxable loss of $12k (providing an additional $3k) while it appreciated about 5%/yr (generating another $30k/yr). So I was feeding the property $10k/yr to make $40k in year 1, the worst year. Now it generates $30k in Cashflow but it’s almost all taxable.  But I was ready for that investment because I was about making money, not cashflow. 

Your numbers don’t sound so promising. The tax is a killer. Would you make a profit if you sold? How much would you have left after taxes? Is there anything better to buy? You know this deal, paying $20-30k to buy something else has to be for a known better deal. Are you using a PM? Are you sure you’re getting market rents? (If you’re not using a PM contact a couple, give them the address and so them how much they would charge, how long it would take to fill, and what they charge you. You might find your net is higher than doing it yourself.) try to find a local expert. Good luck. 


 Again, good perspective, so thanks for educating me on how to look at this situation.

I retired early last year at 57, but want cash flow to cover my living expenses so I can let my 401k/retirement nest-egg ride until I'm 65 or whenever I want to tap into it. So cash flow is more important to me than increasing my net worth. However, I'm not saying that perspective is the right one. I'm open to thinking differently if I should be.

Taxes are going up from 5122 to 8634 this year, an increase of nearly 69%! I'm fighting the increase, of course, but that likely means it only comes down a smidge from 8634. The monthly increase is $293, and I'm already short on cash flow by $96/month, so I'll be short $389/mo unless I can increase rent.

At current rent of $1625/mo., my annual revenue on this property is $19,500.

Total expenses with the new tax increase per month is $2014 or $24,170.

A cashflow loss of $4,670 for 2023. 

This leads me back to the question, do I take option 1, 2 or 3 or some other option/perspective I haven't considered? I do have another rental property that is doing well and can cover this gap. Maybe option #1 (subsidize it) is best and I need to turn my attention to finding better cash-flowing properties.


 Is that typical in Texas?  A house that only rents for $1700 has taxes of $8600???

Really?  How can you make any money in Texas?  It would take almost 5 months of rent just to cover insurance??  Are you sure that’s right?  In AZ it’s about a months worth of rent to pay for an entire year of property taxes.


Hello, Albert. Yes, really! You said it would take 5 months of rent to cover insurance, but I think you meant taxes. The proposed taxes for 2023 are $8634. At $1625/month in rent, it takes me over 5 months to cover the taxes, and less than a month to cover insurance ($1320/yr).

That leaves principle and interest at nearly 9 months to cover. So, the rental income runs out before the obligations to PITI. There's nothing left for CapEx and routine maintenance, among other things.

So, I have to either:

1. raise rent / generate more rent or deal with it

2. make a large payment against my mortgage to recast my monthly payment

3. sell

A lot of good comments here already.  @Richard Rohrbough I am going to assume that your primary goal is cash flow.  Thoughts:
1.Whether to buy or sell is a function of whether or not a different property will improve your financial goals with another property.  So, what would it look like if you took your equity in this property and put it into a different property? Could you achieve your cash flow goals?

2.The CapRate is a fundamental way to measure two different properties ability to produce income relative to their cost.  What is the current cap rate on this property vs. other properties in the market?

3. There is an easy to use software called property llama that allows investors to put their property financials into the system and run "what if" scenarios. (propertyllama.com) - It's free to use right now -  Full disclosure I am helping them go to market, but am a firm believer in the intersection between goals and the most important financial measurements.  

Hope this helps. 

Post: Chicago Condo Conversion Pre-construction Flip

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Interesting....would you say that is a strategy you would do again in the future.  i.e, identify condo conversion buildings and purchase pre-renovation.

Is that something easy to find in Chicago @Paul V.

@Jonathan Klemm
Probably not something that I would do right now.  This approach worked in a time of rapid and high appreciation.  Looking at the Chicago Case Schiller index that happened in a time when home prices where increasing at a 7.50% 

Post: 125k to invest, where to start?

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Bradley Bladon:

Great advice but for the fact that after 1 year, and 5% down, you will still have no equity and the max LTV on c/o refi is 80%.

He would need to score a turnkey house at 50-60% LTV to even be remotely worth doing g a refi after 1 year. Don't forget the closing costs wrapped in the loan.

After CC on the initial purchase, he’ll be roughy8% in the deal from day 1.  You would need double digit appreciation to even off set that after a refi. 

He needn’t go any further than running an amortization schedule to see his loan won’t move in year 1 to amount to anything. He would need 25%+ appreciation and a very aggressive principal reduction plan to accomplish even a refi of the original loan amount. 

A VA Loan would be the only exception to my scenario …or holding the property long term and refi further down the road .

That is not a plausible realistic game plan. 

@Bradley Bladon I'm not sure if you are referring to my advice or someone elses.  I'm not sure I understand your comments.  I didn't mention him doing a cash out refi in 1 year.  

Breaking it down a little further... @Brendan Bouffard has $125k to invest.  He could put $35k down on his first primary res property year 1, another $35k down on a different primary res property in yr 2, another $35k down on another property year 3.  It would be 4 years out until that $125k was fully deployed.   If he can buy them at 5% down, then that would be a purchase price of $700k per property.  After 3 years he would own $2.1m worth of property. Assuming a health local market, rental income, appreciation and pay down will come down the road.  I'm not advocating for a short term plan, but a long term plan.  

Many people don't have the flexibility to house hack like this and move every year (No chance my wife would let me do this now), but if you are at a window in your time of life, it presents a great opportunity.  

Post: Chicago Condo Conversion Pre-construction Flip

Paul V.Posted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Hey @Paul V. - Awesome job brother!

I need some more deals here in Chicago that go that smoothly.  

Can you explain what you mean by "signed a contract pre-construction on a condo conversion"?

Is this correct....The developer bought the apartment building, did a condo conversion, pre-sold the condos, and then renovated the units, which you bought.


 That's right.  I signed a contract while the building was being renovated and converted.  The closing happened several months after I signed the contract.  

Thanks @Jonathan Klemm - Though it was a couple of decades ago, so it's all a bit relative.  

I lived in Chicago my entire life until moving to Colorado 12 years ago.  Not actively investing in the Chicago market, while I'm sure that there are plenty of good opportunities there, the population surge in Colorado has been a tremendous lever for wealth creation.. I'm focusing all of my energy in the Denver metro nowadays.