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All Forum Posts by: Phillip Massey

Phillip Massey has started 1 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Kenneth Garrett:

@Berry Leonard

Great job acquiring 18 sfh. I have been investing for 4 years. Have acquired 13 sfh, 2 multifamily buildings and a student housing building. The BRRRR works on all of them. You need to do the following

  1. Buy at the right price 
  2. Do a great job on the rehab - no lipstick on a pig
  3. Buy in good locations B & C neighborhoods - no war zones
  4. The rehab will force the appreciation - remember its location, location, location
  5. Be an expert in your market
  6. Be able to find properties where others cannot
  7. Based on location, great rehab, buying at the right price will allow you to attract better quality tenants and higher rents 
  8. GREAT JOB

 Hey Kenneth what state are you investing in?

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Mark Fries:
@Phillip Massey

Been to Nooga a few times, that's it though

 I have family that lives out there. 

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Mark Fries:
@Jerry Cinor

32208, 32254, some select areas 32206 and 32209

 You ever been up to East Tennessee?

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Gary L Wallman:

Phillip,

Like you I am also a car dealer by day.  I started buying real estate during the crash.  It was a no brainer for me.  Like buying 20 dollar bills for 10 bucks.

Indy, where you live, and the suburbs of Dayton where I live have a lot in common when it comes to real estate. Primarily the rate of return on SFR's. We are able to buy in decent areas (B, B-) and easily hit the one percent rule.

I picked up 85 SFR's during the crash and after and I'm still buying today (close on one tomorrow 65k all in 850.00 rent). I do have 35 or 40 multi doors. I find them harder to acquire, rent and manage. They can provide a slightly greater cash flow though, which can be important if you're leveraging.

IMO if you want to get rich with minimum stress continue on your path.  If you want mega-rich, you'll probably need to go after the large Multi's.  Bigger risk but bigger rewards.

Either way, good luck and happy hunting.

 85 sfrs! Whoa. That’s impressive. I just like the single family model. It works well for me. Thanks for sjarun

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Gary L Wallman:

Phillip,

Like you I am also a car dealer by day.  I started buying real estate during the crash.  It was a no brainer for me.  Like buying 20 dollar bills for 10 bucks.

Indy, where you live, and the suburbs of Dayton where I live have a lot in common when it comes to real estate. Primarily the rate of return on SFR's. We are able to buy in decent areas (B, B-) and easily hit the one percent rule.

I picked up 85 SFR's during the crash and after and I'm still buying today (close on one tomorrow 65k all in 850.00 rent). I do have 35 or 40 multi doors. I find them harder to acquire, rent and manage. They can provide a slightly greater cash flow though, which can be important if you're leveraging.

IMO if you want to get rich with minimum stress continue on your path.  If you want mega-rich, you'll probably need to go after the large Multi's.  Bigger risk but bigger rewards.

Either way, good luck and happy hunting.

 85 sfrs! Whoa. That’s impressive. I just like the single family model. It works well for me. Thanks for sharing 

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Berry Leonard:
@Phillip Massey

Hi Phillip, my wife and I have acquired 18 SF rental homes. We purchase 2-3 properties per year, our target is 20-24 homes.

We only buy homes in owner occupied safe neighborhoods and target an average rent which is aligned to the average family income of the Triad NC area. We target $900 to $1400 rental rates with a 8-10% cap rate.

We have focused our purchases in a 10 mile radius, in many cases, we have multiple homes in the same neighborhood or on the same street. This allows us to reduce our travel and provide better service to our tenants.

Also, we seek long term tenants and incentivize four year leases with a minimum of two year lease. While we may lose some rent increases with long term leases, we lower our turn over and reduce our expenses. Also, our area cannot support constant rent increases so long term leases have much more benefit to our strategy. However, we are able to charge slightly above market rental rates because we do a good job rehabbing and maintaining our properties. I do not believe this model is possible with multi family.

We closely manage and maintain our properties to insure the highest quality product for our tenants. Also, we are a buy and hold investor and believe in maintaining our properties in top shape. We hear horror stories from many of our tenants about their past landlords and the poor maintenance. We believe this helps maintain tenants in SF rentals. When we secure a good tenant, we want them to stay forever.

We target tenants who want to live in neighborhoods and do not want to live in apartments or condos. I believe SF tenants take better care of our properties because they treat it like their home and we provide a high quality product.

We buy distressed properties, rehab and rent. Our goal is to rehab enough properties each year to minimize our taxes on the positive cash flow. I prefer to invest in more properties vs paying taxes to Uncle Sam. Our goal is to re-invest 100% of our profits for the next five years while paying down all of our mortgages. It is hard to find distressed multi family properties that would allow the same rehab cost to offset my cash flow and minimize taxes. One of our biggest goals is to minimize taxable income.

After our first four Homes, our progress slowed because we could not get under written by Fannie, so We only purchased with cash for a few years which slowed our progress. Several years ago, I found a local bank which allowed us to accelerate our purchases. We have decided to only take 10 yr loans because our goal is to pay off all the properties in the next 5-7 years. The principle pay down on a 10 year loan if 60% of the total payment. We typical finance one free and clear property to purchased the next property. After you acquire 3-4 free and clear properties, this model allows you to quickly add additional rentals. This model is possible with SF or multi family since we use commercial loans.

We believe SF homes offer lower risk if not leveraged to heavy and purchased at or below market price. Also, the rents must be aligned with the family income of the local market. If family incomes are NOT rising at the same rate as rents, increased rents are not sustainable.

I agree with other comments that multi-family should offer higher returns and faster equity growth. However, it requires much more due diligence than I have time to commit while working in my career.

We have developed a business model for our area and the numbers are easy to predict without much effort or added risk. We are conservative investors and looking for long term income growth and not short term profits.

As I get closer to retirement age, I believe SF properties offer lower risk with our business model vs MF.

Also, In our area, their our many major MF construction projects ongoing which will soon place a major strain on MF rentals. I believe SF properties are not competing with that market and have lower risk to the current over building we see in many markets.

 Wow that’s awesome model you have! Thanks for sharing 

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Terrell Garren:

What @Mark Fries said. I bought my first SFH buy/rehab/rent as a hobby 10 years ago. The 18th one allowed me to retire early and cash flow life. BTW, I don't need the 'dead equity' lecture. Clocks and calendars are for kids. Life is good.

Thats awesome. I run a car dealership and using the sfrs for retirement. I’m 28 now. And just putting the properties on 20 notes. 

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Mark Fries:
@Phillip Massey

I started in 2012. I decided to buy a home for my mother so she could move closer to me and then she decided she did not want the home so I just turned it into a rental and that started the whole thing!

 I started in 2015. But I do use financing. I have been using 20% down conventional financing. But just got my first brrrr property. You are at a torrid pace. So you’re averaging buying a property every other month for the past 6 years

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @John Thedford:

I have 14 unit s all SFR. I would venture into MF if I could find a decent deal. My buying parameters require 1995 or newer units and sellers want a fortune for them. So at this time I am content to continue acquiring more SFR. In my area our rents are strong and most avg about 1300/month rental rates or higher. 10 of the 14 are free and clear leaving a nice net after OE and debt service.

That’s awesome returns John. Are you paying cash for them, or using financing? 

Post: Single family rentals

Phillip MasseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Maryville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 26
Originally posted by @Mark Fries:
@Phillip Massey

And I work about 50 hours a week at my regular day job...

I probly work 65 hours a week and that's only because I really just love working in general. It's what I do! Some people have a bunch of hobbies or do a lot of traveling I pretty much just work and it brings a lot of enjoyment to me!

 How long have you been buying rentals?