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All Forum Posts by: Phong Bui

Phong Bui has started 3 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: Zoning for an ADU in Linden?

Phong BuiPosted
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Quote from @Robert Ellis:
Quote from @Phong Bui:

Savannah, other comments are right, albeit probably hard to sift through verbiage for the relevant comments related to your question.

ADU in Linden might be on the horizon. Check out these links:

Herehere, and here

But these aren't helpful as you are looking at options for unpermitted work, so don't expect leniency in not only approval for something the city is merely trying out, but also something that was already completed without any permit approvals whatsoever.

My advice is to skip this deal. Juice is not worth the squeeze.


linden is far from adu's making any sense. adu's are cost prohibitive from the beginning. we are talking $200+ per sq ft to build. the idea to build is to have equity. you can't build an ADU in linden and get the numbers to work on new construction at the lending of 75% after built value max thresholds. you'll be bringing money to the table over the minimum for what, to change the game? just crazy to even consider an ADU in linden it's the silliest thing I've ever heard of


 Yeah, im not arguing for or against the business case. Simply providing information pertaining to legalities.

Post: Zoning for an ADU in Linden?

Phong BuiPosted
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Savannah, other comments are right, albeit probably hard to sift through verbiage for the relevant comments related to your question.

ADU in Linden might be on the horizon. Check out these links:

Herehere, and here

But these aren't helpful as you are looking at options for unpermitted work, so don't expect leniency in not only approval for something the city is merely trying out, but also something that was already completed without any permit approvals whatsoever.

My advice is to skip this deal. Juice is not worth the squeeze.

Without knowing all of your numbers, I would be more inclined to do a 75% refi @ 7.5% and then shovel the cashflow to pay off the HELOC. I don't imagine a variable rate HELOC has an interest that much higher than 7.5% at the moment.

Post: Need Structural Engineer

Phong BuiPosted
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Hi Chris, shoot me a PM

Post: First eviction in my landlording career.

Phong BuiPosted
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Unfortunately part of the business. Been through 2 evictions myself. In both cases the tenant used free legal aid, and in both cases they were advised to request a 1 week continuance to "prepare for legal aid" or something. Nevermind the fact that they received the court notice for their appearance date weeks in advance and had those weeks to prepare. Nevermind that I show up to court prepared and will need to show up yet again the following week. The judge invariably grants the 1 week continuance, but does mention they are granting 1 and only 1 continuance thankfully.

Different judges and laws apply of course, but I have come to consider a cost of business and a lesson to be much more thorough in my tenant screening.

Post: Excited to start my RE journey in Ohio - Looking for connections!

Phong BuiPosted
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Hi Ly, 

Curious why you are interested in northeast columbus specifically? And also Akron/Canton? These areas are very different from each other.

I am no expert by any means, but would be interested in connecting. I'll actually be visiting the bay next week for a few days.

Quote from @Bill B.:

I only have a dozen rentals so I'm note sue of your answer for 15. But with 12 it's faster, easier, simpler, cheaper, and IMHO better to have an umbrella policy instead of any LLC. But I don't do anything but LTR. Flips could certainyl have occasions where an LLC might be worth it.

What's your purpose behind having any LLCs? If it's privacy it probably takes someone an hour to find out who you are instead of 5 minutes? If it's lawsuit protection you have to make sure you have nothing to do with how the rental is run, or you'll be sued personally. AND, you probably need the same umbrella policy anyway since you are 10x more likely to get sued personally for something you do than your property is. And in that case you own the LLC, so you lose the LLC.

I can't imagine have 12 checking accounts to keep each LLC legally separate. Having the required meetings and record keeping. Do you plan to do all that? Good luck, I hope you don't need it.

If you need more info click on the magnifying glass in the upper corner. As stated this is literally asked monthly if not weekly. 

Ps. Make sure you’re worth being sued. Imagine you have 15 x 350k properties with $280k loans (20%). If you were sued and had to sell them you’d net $315k? (10% selling costs) so you have $35k x 15 properties in equity. That’s $500k. Your basic insurance would almost cover that. 


All solid points that is not fully understood by many when they think an LLC is some magic solution for all of their needs. I think it's due to a widespread rhetoric of anonymity and liability protection without actually explaining the nuances of each.

Hopefully your comment can be viewed by many.

Post: Have you seen what's coming to Columbus?

Phong BuiPosted
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Quote from @Jimmy Lieu:
Quote from @Ed W.:

A caution, particularly for newbies.  What the real estate agents have said about Central Ohio growth is true - it looks very promising.  There is another truth - one that is notable and longstanding.  The core truth of real estate investing is that you should make your money when you buy.  That means that you should not buy a property based on the promise of future appreciation (or future growth, etc.).  Get solid cash flow and, preferably, a truly discounted price.  I've never met the agents who have contributed to this thread and they have all been solid contributors to this site in terms of the number of posts, questions answered, etc. but I don't know what sort of deals they propose to their clients. They may be the best deals on the planet.  The bottom line is that far too many agents propose deals that are very good for earning commissions but are marginal - at best - as investments and, at times, poor to very poor as investments. Again, this caution is not agent specific.  Don't be over-eager to do your first deal.  Learn the business (this site is a great place to start along with local real estate investment organizations), make sure what is proposed is sound, and make thoughtful investments.


Hey Ed, actually, I disagree with this - I think any deal that makes $100 net cash flow a month is honestly a buy - of course there's other variables like down payment needed, type of financing, cash on cash return, interest rates, etc. but the thing is real estate is how MANY properties you buy, not waiting for huge cash flowing deals at the present. Any property you buy in Columbus Ohio today, in 10 years, through appreciation, cash flow, depreciation, principal paydown, they will all be making at least 20% cash on cash return. Real estate is a long game!


 Definitely not a fan of blanket statements like these. $100 net on a large deal may not be enough to cover a large unexpected expense, or a prolonged vacancy. I know you mention other metrics in other comments, but this comment alone can lead many inexperienced investors down the wrong path with bad investing fundamentals. You cant guarantee 20% coc return in 10 years and neither is coc return a good metric for long investment decisions.

Ed's caution, although maybe a little too wary, is still very valid to encourage new investors to do their own due diligence, especially given current conditions. I'm bullish on columbus still, but you cannot ignore the fact that there are a lot of impacting this market. Still lots of instability and that can be very risky for investors in the short term and result in them never being able to realize the long term gains. Buy and hold strategy doesn't work if you can't hold it long enough.

Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:

agreed!  I did not hear about the volley ball team but I did hear about the potential of a woman's soccer team expansion coming here which would be dope!  Don't forget about the peninsula project, and Gravity 2.0 in Franklinton!

I'm thinking we need some 3d printed developments or some alternative strategies for building, central OH is way behind and its just going to get worse as far as inventory.


I hear you on 3d tech, I would like to see implementation of micro-apartments and an official direction for adu here in columbus as well.

Unfortunately I'm not too much a fan of how the smart city grant was handled in regards to transportation tech, so I don't have much faith in the city handling new ideas to address population density/growth.

Post: Wedding Venue in Hilliard

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Quote from @Nick Uhas:

Hey BP Columbus! 

I have 4 commercial buildings down on campus (OSU) and a single-family house out in Hilliard on 11.8 acres (half grass half wooded area). For about 3 years now I haven't figured out the best path forward except just to rent it out like a normal house. However, I've now got an idea of making this an STR while using the property as a wedding venue. I've seen the numbers on wedding venue rates and this looks much more attractive than just monthly rent. The idea would be to build HGTV-style big barn and turn the grassy areas into an apple orchard (low maintenance and possible ag tax credit down the line). I think this could be a better use for a large property with just one single-family house on it. Please let me know your investor thoughts!


 It definitely sounds like a good idea for diversification and creative use of the property. As a wedding venue though, the fundamental business model changes to an event site to cater towards the client demand. More often that would mean having amenities like tables/chairs, av hookups, lighting, etc to accommodate wedding functions. Of course that would probably depend on the type of weddings you decide to accommodate, but offering a bare bones facility that puts the responsibility decorations and material all on the client seems like it will severely limit your potential clients. I think licenses required for having food/beverages/alcohol served on the premise, even if not directly supplied by you, will also need to be considered.

If you proceed, you might also consider allowing other events as well, such as corporate retreats/functions. I attended a company "gala" out in galloway a few years back that I think would match what your idea would provide.

Side note, I used to walk past your campus properties all the time. I really like how they turned out!