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All Forum Posts by: Mike Nuss

Mike Nuss has started 81 posts and replied 432 times.

Post: How would a market downturn affect BRRRR refinancing?

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

@Phil T. great question. Here are some thoughts on BRRRR as a whole, not just the HELOC scenario

BRRRR strategy has quite a few levers and those levers will all potentially be affected differently. All in all, I see the BRRRR model having a larger risk/reward equation than we've seen in years past. The lending side brings risk, but I think there will be more reward if the project is successful and a fixed term refi happens in the end.

Purchase price - I think we can expect competition (demand) on the cash required purchase side to lower, so there's a high probability purchase prices going in can be better. I've been saying this for years that acquisitions will get better once the market stops saving flippers that are making poor purchase decisions. 

Renovation cost - At least in Portland labor is so flipping expensive and costs have been increasing so much that I'm excited for this change. I'm expecting with high probability that renovation costs will go down with a recession. 

ARV - There could be a hit to the values on the back end for the refi, but honestly I think the better acquisition prices and better renovation costs will make this a moot point. Also, the finance strategy on the ARV (retail) level is completely different than finance on the brrrr acquisition side. See below for my thoughts on the refinance.

Rental rates - I'm less concerned about this in our Portland market as rental prices are pretty sticky and we still have an overall housing supply shortage, especially in the single family market. That's probably not the case for many markets, which I'm no expert on. I'm always a fan of stress testing BRRRR on the front end by using less than market rents in the proforma for acquisition. When using below market rents, the end result is usually more $ back on the refi and better cash flow on the back end. If rental rates go down then there's obviously room for that to happen as well.

Refinance - This is the biggest wild card because we truly do not know what lenders will be thinking. Also, their changes will be made based on things outside of just the real estate market (macro more than micro actions). There's probably a high probability that interest rates will go down. This is huge in the ability to refinance as many lenders look at DCR (debt coverage ratio) for the refinance. The DCR has been the deciding factor for the final loan amount on all of our BRRRR refinances so even though values may go down, our loan amounts could still go up because the DCR with lower interest rates will allow a higher loan amount.

The biggest concern on the lending side, in my opinion, is how tight will lenders get for investors. Will they simply lower LTV's and require more equity? Will they pull out all together and change their overall lending balance sheets by focusing on other asset classes? How banks react will have an affect on the ARV as well as the ability to refinance out. For this reason alone I would not be willing to use a HELOC on a different property to make this one successful, without assets or cash to pay off the heloc in the event that a refinance does not go well.

Post: Leveraging Multiple Strategies: Rarebird Investor Network Meeting

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

@Amanda Bostic please do. More the merrier!

Post: Leveraging Multiple Strategies: Rarebird Investor Network Meeting

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

@Max Malcom John Monahan I'm pretty sure you're good until like 9:30, which is when the event venue closes and some people move to the bar downstairs. This is a great meeting for you to come to. We're going to speed cast all kinds of deals we've done and are doing right here in Portland. Stuff anyone can do with a little effort. 

Post: 600k to invest in Oregon which market would you invest in?

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

@Kevin Peña I think right now is one of the best times to buy multi fam in Portland as of late, especially since you have the cash position you have. 
With new rent control laws passing, more sellers are coming to the market and demand has pulled back a bit while trying to figure out how to run their proformas. Demand has gone from "paying now" for what "can be" to "not sure what to pay". That's allowed some buyers to make good buys based on current rent. I've purchased 4 multi family properties this year with another in escrow this week. Most of them around the 1% rule, which is almost unheard of in Portland. Feel free to reach out.....happy to help if I can. 

Post: Leveraging Multiple Strategies: Rarebird Investor Network Meeting

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

Awesome @Steven Stutzman it will be a good first meeting to attend. See you there. 

Post: Leveraging Multiple Strategies: Rarebird Investor Network Meeting

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

@Jake Sandor no need to preregister. Just show on up and register as a guest when you get there. Hope to see you there!

Post: Rarebird Master Class: Wholesaling with Integrity 101

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

Join the Rarebird Investor Network on Thursday, August 8 at 9 AM for our master class, Wholesaling 101: How to Wholesale with Integrity. Last month, Tyler Combs discussed the pros and cons of wholesaling as a business model. Today, Dane Fitch and Jayson Shrank of Cascade Home Buyers LLC will dive into the processes and best practices of successful and ethical wholesaling. Learn about…

  • -Advertising genres and cadence
  • -Lists
  • -Short sales
  • -Negotiating
  • -Finding buyers
  • -And more!

CE Certificates are available for licensed attendees.

Space is limited, so please RSVP using the link here: http://rarebirdinvestors.com/masterclass/

Our Master Classes are designed as deep-dive educational opportunities for our Rarebird Investor Network Members!

New to the Investor Network? Come and check out a meeting. Your first time is always FREE! OR Join Here: https://rarebirdinvestors.com/join/

Post: Leveraging Multiple Strategies: Rarebird Investor Network Meeting

Mike Nuss
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  • Real Estate Entrepreneur
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 441
  • Votes 324

Leveraging Multiple Investment Strategies to Maximize Opportunities in Portland

Speaker: Mike Nuss & @Tyler Combs

Join the Rarebird Investor Network for our August meeting where the founders of Rarebird, Tyler Combs and I (Mike Nuss) will offer a peek behind the curtain on some of our recent projects. We will share how we have used multiple models and tools to get the most out of our Portland investments, including how we…

  • -Use BRRR to build wealth AND create cash flow
  • -Leverage seller financing to build momentum, and lower the barrier of entry
  • -Unlock density to unlock cash
  • -And recognize expandability and prioritize forced appreciation

    In Portland’s current market, there are still incredible investment opportunities – expand your possibilities and get inspired for your next project!

    THE EVERGREEN - 618 SE ALDER ST, PORTLAND, OR 97214

    Networking begins at 6 PM! Presentation starts at 7 PM!

    Your first beer is on the house thanks to our August sponsor, Divine Surface! Additional drinks will be available at our cash bar. Food can be ordered before the meeting downstairs at Loyal Legion. Place your food order at the Loyal Legion Bar, head upstairs to check-in, and the staff will bring your food to you upstairs.

    FYI - August's meeting takes place during Portland Burger Week - Loyal Legion will be especially busy. Please consider bringing outside food or eating before the meeting to avoid long wait times.

    New to the Investor Network? Come and check out a meeting. Your first time is always FREE! OR Join Here!

    Post: RareBird Master Class: PDX's New Screening Criteria Regulations

    Mike Nuss
    Posted
    • Real Estate Entrepreneur
    • Portland, OR
    • Posts 441
    • Votes 324

    Join the RareBird Investor Network on Thursday, July 25 at 9 AM for our master class, Portland’s New Screening Criteria Regulation – What You Need to Know. I (Mike Nuss) will break down the recently passed security deposit and screening criteria ordinances in Portland. We will cover the changes to screening criteria, as well as new operational and income changes. Bring your questions and learn what these changes mean for landlords in PDX!

    CE Certificates are available for licensed attendees.

    Space is limited, so please RSVP using the link here: http://rarebirdinvestors.com/masterclass/

    Our Master Classes are designed as deep-dive educational opportunities for our RareBird Investor Network Members!

    New to the Investor Network? Come and check out a meeting, your first time is always FREE! OR Join Here: https://rarebirdinvestors.com/join/

    Post: Portland Oregon rent control Opportunity knocks ?

    Mike Nuss
    Posted
    • Real Estate Entrepreneur
    • Portland, OR
    • Posts 441
    • Votes 324

    @Jay Hinrichs I think the opportunity here is being able to purchase rental property for the current rent, not the proforma rent, which is what "market value" has been the past few years in Portland. I probably could've articulated that better Monday night. Thanks for bringing this around so I could think on that a bit.