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All Forum Posts by: JP M.

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Post: probates

JP M.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 7

15 minutes to save 15%... or, 7 minutes with...

While manually looking up probate leads in various papers is the tried-and-true method of researching the names and file numbers of decedents, we are buying probate properties in multiple states and needed a much more efficient means of procuring leads.

If you are in California, search here:  http://www.capublicnotice.com/ and then run the names through your title company database in the appropriate county. Just don't forget to give all of your business to the title company that helped you, so you can sleep well at night! 

You may also choose to research the discovered case numbers at the courthouse, as Mr. Pedroza wisely suggests, to mine for the necessary contact information.

If you are elsewhere in the Country, you may find your state listed here:

http://www.publicnoticeads.com/

These tools are effective at discovering the names and case numbers of the decedents, but you still need to subscribe to an excellent reverse-address search service to obtain phone numbers. We pay ours $49 a month, but their accuracy is the highest we've found.

Happy hunting!

(If this is helpful to you, please give me a vote of confidence!) Thanks.

Post: Probate Postcards

JP M.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 7

In my experience, phone calls with follow-up letters are much more effective, and thus less expensive, than postcards which illicit minimal response. And yes, the quality of the stationary and design of your letterhead matters here. Each individual letter may cost more, but the phone call opening the door makes the quality of the follow-up piece paramount to the impression you convey with your written materials. I suggest you use 100% cotton bond with a watermark, and have someone with nice handwriting address the letter. Not only will this strategy secure a better first impression, if properly managed, it will lead to multiple referrals from probate attorneys. Presumably, you want to establish an ongoing business relationship that lasts far beyond your initial contact and purchase.

Post: Probate property contract

JP M.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 7

Mr. Pedroza is partially correct, there are two instances I am aware of where court approval is not required to sell real property in California. No probate proceedings are required to sell real property if the real property is an asset wholly owned by a trust. However, in this case a filing often needs to be made with the county recorders office to remove the deceased’s name from the title so that a sale can occur.

With ONE exception, if the personal representative (executor) wishes to sell real property that is part of the probate estate, the property can ONLY be sold with Court approval and notice to those who have an interest in the property – and the sales price MUST be for at least 90% of the appraised value.

That ONE exception is where the personal representative has been given authority to act under the Independent Administration of Estates Act (IAEA), AND, the property is not being purchased by the personal representative or his/her attorney. In that situation the "at least 90%" rule and the requirement that the personal representative "obtain the highest and best price for the property reasonably attainable" do not apply . The request for authority under the IAEA may be made at any time, though this is usually done as part of the initial petition for probate. ANY interested party can object to the grant of authority, although the Court must grant the authority unless an objecting party can show good cause. If authority is granted, letters testamentary must also be obtained showing that authority. The judge must sign admitting the will and approving the letters testamentary. (Letters of Administration in some states).

With a sale of one to four units of owner-occupied property located in California where a loan secured by the property is in default, the sale agreement must comply with California’s relatively intricate pre-foreclosure sale statutes. To be safe, anyone indicated in any will as receiving an interest in the property, any surviving spouse and anyone receiving an interest under the intestacy laws (if there is no will) should be considered an owner.

In any case, the personal representative must give notice of the sale to all affected parties. The notice must include all material terms of the transaction, including the sales price and the amount of any commission. Notice need not be given if all interested parties sign a waiver of notice or a consent to the request for authority. 

It is specifically because of the intricacies of the Notice requirements, and the ability of any interested party to object, that the question as to whether 'full authority' has been granted under IAEA and letters testamentary issued is so critical. It is common for a related personal representative to claim 'full authority' because it was granted solely within the verbiage of the will, which could lead the under-informed to assume that no court order is required. Unless the authority has been granted under IAEA, a court order MUST be obtained. Rather than go into all of this detail, I originally decided to answer your specific question regarding using the standard purchase agreement more succinctly presuming the common occurrence of assumed 'full authority,' because you had not mentioned letters testamentary or IAEA.

I stand by my original answer that because of the myriad pitfalls inherent in using a 'standard purchase agreement' for such a purchase, I strongly suggest you NOT use that agreement and instead seek affordable legal counsel. Not only can they include verbiage to protect your purchase transaction, they can also verify that proper procedures have been followed, proper Notices given, and letters testamentary have indeed been issued; which means that those with standing to object have been given their opportunity to do so, and either agreed to the sale, or their objections have been quashed.

I am perhaps more sensitive to the importance of using counsel whenever dealing with probate purchases because I lost significant capital on a $2.5 million purchase literally at closing when one of the previously unnamed beneficiaries served an injunction to stop the sale. This happened back when I was first starting out buying probate properties, and was in a state that does not have the 90% rule; the price was about 65% of appraisal value - a significant loss of profit and huge legal fees to correct. The seller thought she had 'full authority' to sell, and was as horrified as we were to have the sale reversed by the court. We were both even more horrified by the ensuing legal fees that it cost to extricate ourselves from the mess because of the unfounded allegations the 'injured party' levied against us.

"An ounce of prevention is worth (much more than) a pound of cure!" - Ben Franklin

Post: I’m so excited! I quit my day job today to do REI full time!

JP M.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 7

Congratulations, Brianna!

Although I quit my regular job for full time investing many years ago, it is always a treat to read the experiences of others and vicariously experience that elation all over again.

Continues success to you.

JP M.

Post: Probate property contract

JP M.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 7

I am not yet an attorney, (although I am attending law school), but I am buying probate properties in the five western states. My suggestion below are not to be construed as legal advice, only general suggestions based upon my own experiences buying probate properties over the past 10 years.

Regardless of the agreement you use, or the level of authority of the administrator, to transfer title of a probate real estate property in California REQUIRES the approval of the presiding judge and an appropriate court order. In my personal opinion, this is the last place you want to try a do-it-yourself purchase agreement. There are many clauses you may want in your contract to protect yourself against outstanding liens and creditors, unnamed beneficiaries, etc. I also include an escape clause in my personal agreements so my earnest money is 100% REFUNDABLE if the court denies my initial offering price. 

If you are seeking to keep your legal fees to a minimum, I suggest you research the various pre-paid legal services plans available. Personally, I use Legal Shield because for my purposes it delivers the most bang for the buck. But there are many other offerings, and another plan may suit your needs better. If you research legal plans online, you will find opinions both pro and con. Nolo Press seems to be against them, perhaps because they sell self-help information, I don't know. 

However, the American Bar Association encourages their use, and according to the Oregon Bar Association, "Prepaid legal plans have been endorsed by the National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG), a savvy group with no interest other than equal justice for all. Legal plans dramatically increase access to justice, because they dramatically improve the cost-benefit ratio."

I am a member of the American Bar Association and found you a link you may find informative: (You do not have to be a member to access it).

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/group_prepaid_l...

Also, check out the American Prepaid Legal Services Institute.  http://www.aplsi.org/

I am not yet an attorney, and have no vested interest in providing you these links other than sharing hopefully helpful direction in your search for information.