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All Forum Posts by: Richard Freedkin

Richard Freedkin has started 2 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Rarely or NEVER in this market trust an appraisal... here is why

Richard FreedkinPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Lake Zurich, IL
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

Hi J. Scott..

Thanks for the reply... however, what i am trying to say here is that if an investor is lured into making an offer and is guided by the value shown by using that appraisal that the seller or anyone for that matter provides, odd are in this market that the value on that appraisal will be greatly overstated based on the actual age of the comps compared to the current "deflation" of values. I cant tell you how many time a coaching student has come to me with a "Great Deal" that they just got from a seller pointing out that the have an appraisal that is very recent lets say for $1,000,000.00... the stuudent thinks they have a great deal based on a discount that they just recieved down to $700,000.00. The student thinks they have just gotten a 30% discount off the "recent" appraisal of $1 mil. When in reality, the value of that property in today's market may already be 20% or less that the value listed on the appraisal due to the age of comps relative to the deflation that has occured since the age of them. I have seen FAR to many investors get stuck with a property they could not sell for anywhere near where they bought because of this factor. Whether you agree or not, the reality is what has gotten many newer less experiened investors in trouble in this regard.

Post: Rarely or NEVER in this market trust an appraisal... here is why

Richard FreedkinPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Lake Zurich, IL
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

Unless you know methods for extrapolating what the true market value is from being able to read and dissect an appraisal, do not under any circumstances take the value from an appraisal and expect it to be true (unless you are in an upward value market)

I will attempt to quickly go over one of the most important points to reading and understanding an appraisal that should help you in determining value when negotiating with sellers.

Lets take a look at a particular call that I had just today that illustrates so well what I am talking about.

This student had just gotten an option on a deal that he thought was worth $1,100,000.00. He based the value on an appraisal that the seller had just had done within the last 30 days. Of course the seller based their estimation of the value of their home on this “Recent†appraisal.

The question is, was this appraisal really “Recent� Well the date on the appraisal may have been, but lets really look at the factors that determine if this is really the case.

The 3 comparables that the appraiser used were from August 2008, August 2008, and October 2008. Now those are the dates that the sales actually CLOSED. The closing date is NOT the date that actually established the value of those deals. The dates those contracts were signed to purchase those homes is the real true comparable date. It’s just that it probably took 45 to 60 days to actually get financing and close those deals. The problem is that the appraiser only has the closing date as the date he can use for the appraisal. He or she really has no idea of when the actual contract was signed to purchase those homes. Now those are typical dates you should use for “Re-Sale†transactions and in the case above, the comps are more realistically from June, June and August. So even though we have an appraisal dated within the last 30 days of this article, is the appraisal really recent? NO – the appraisal is actually approximately 9 months old. How far have values fallen in your area over the last 9 months? Should that percentage be applied against the value on this appraisal? You Betcha!!.

Now if the comps are new construction comps, you need to be very critical of the dates that established the real values of these homes. For instance, if you sign a contract for a builder to build you a home, it typically may take any where from 6 months to 1.5 years for that home to be completed. Again, the appraiser will use the closing date as the date of the comp. But the actual contract that was signed to purchase that home at that price may have been signed over a year ago! In a downward trending market such as the one we are in now, this could mean that home values could have slipped 20 – 30% or more just between the time that the buyer contracted the builder to build the home and the actual date that it closed. Many buyers have backed out of those deals and forfeited their earnest money and of course those deals never show up as comps. But for all the others that actually went ahead and closed on their new home purchase, if those are comps used in the appraisal you are reading, just understand that the value being shown could be as much as 1.5 years old. Do you think the recent date on the appraisal really means it is a good estimation of recent value? Of course not!!

I have saved some students a tremendous amount of time and money analyzing their deals with them using many techniques, but this is one that comes up time and time again. Showing them where they may have gone wrong evaluating an appraisal has saved many students from making a bad deal that could have potentially cost them thousands upon thousands of dollars.

Post: New "Forum" er here From Chicago

Richard FreedkinPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Lake Zurich, IL
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

Hello everyone. Glad to be here. Looking forward to learning alot from fellow pros and also to share my knowledge with everyone. Good Profitable Investing to Everyone! Richard Freedkin

Post: What target group that you direct mail to gives you the best results?

Richard FreedkinPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Lake Zurich, IL
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

My Favorite lists to market to are Expired Listings. Why? Well, no matter what other list you might market to, lets say Divoces.... In a divorce, you might be dealing with a list where one spouse stays in the home while the other moves out. On the other hand, if they want or have to sell, the first thing most people on any list, whether it be Divorce, Probate, Foreclosure, BK etc.. is list their home with a Realtor. In this market, they may have listed their homes 2 or even 3 times or more. The expired listing list has ALL other lists funneling into it so if you can gain access to the list, you have a goldmine of leads that are ALL 100% tageted. Everyone on that list Wants or NEEDS to sell.