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All Forum Posts by: Ron Daugherty

Ron Daugherty has started 6 posts and replied 58 times.

Post: Story about how my deal was stolen

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

Daniel,  sorry to hear about that.  I think I was one of the people that asked you about the property.  It's too bad this happened, sounds like you learned from it.   Checking County records, doesn't look like Jemco is all that active in the county.  

Personally, I don't have time for marketing so I don't have a problem with a wholesaler making money on a deal they refer to me.  Within reason, I did cut ties with one that tried to make what I thought was an excessive fee.  Doesn't sound like you were doing that on this one though.  

I would have clouded the title to send a message to the buyer.  You were probably too nice on that end.  

But, lesson learned and you'll know what not to do going forward.

Post: Wood FENCE panels- Oklahoma any suggestions

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

I agree with Paul, get a quote and let them pay to upgrade. 

 Also, if you are thinking of buying the material yourself, go to Fox Lumber.  Don't use Lowe's or Home Depot for fence panels.   Quality isn't as good and they charge more.   Find a lumber yard like Fox, you'll get a better end product.

Post: Inspection for a rental property

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

Assuming you have NOT bought the property and you're thinking of what the costs are.  An Inspector and a contractor are two very different things.  An inspector will check things like, do the lights work, are there any visible water leaks, any visible issues with electric.  What I call maintenance type things.   You would then take that back to the seller for things to fix prior to the sell or negotiate the price down.    I would not waste the money for an inspector if you are wanting to get an idea of costs of repairs prior to putting your offer in.

If you have no knowledge of construction or the ability to estimate the costs of repairs, bring the contractor with you first.  Get an estimate from him, then add in extra for the things that will come up in the rehab that aren't seen.  Don't forget this step, catches people off all the time. If your offer is accepted, that is when you bring in your inspector to check the other stuff.


The issue with BRRRR properties is they are usually distressed. Meaning the seller is probably going to pass on your inspection contingency on the purchase. Little issues are too be expected with distressed properties.


I don't personally use either on my properties prior to purchase, I do the inspection myself.   Once I've bought the property, I give the scope of work I want done to my contractor and work out the price.   

Just my opinion, but you really need to be able to do this yourself if you want to get into the BRRRR game. I think you're asking for trouble if you don't have that ability. Seen it happen many times.

But, that's just my opinion.

Post: Would you buy this house?

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

Doesn't seem like much equity once you do the work needed.  I think I would pass, there are better deals than that to be found.  Just my opinion though.   

Post: Taking action...what am I doing wrong?

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

Manny, be careful not to "over" analyze in this market.  I have had to rethink my profit margins in order to get deals here in OKC, and it's not as hot as the Dallas market.  Deals I could get a year ago just aren't that easy to find now.  We are taking smaller profit margins to get deals now.  

Post: Creative ways to deal with old wall paper!!

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

+1 on the steamer method.  I bought a Warner steamer off Ebay and it's worked great for us.  Especially on those 50 year old houses where sizing wasn't used.  Still cringe when I see it though.

Post: Do you have a go-to or favorite paint color for your properties?

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51
Originally posted by @Rob Myers:

Sherwin Williams SW 7029 - Agreeable Gray

It's a very neutral gray that can almost look off white.  It pops well with painted woodwork.

+1 on this color.  Use it on all our properties.  

Post: Trying to get started flipping in Oklahoma

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

Dylan, like most places Oklahoma is a tough market right now. If your searching MLS listings, most likely you will be running into multiple offer situations on the best deals. Finding off market deals is a better way to go, but that can be expensive finding them yourself. Plenty of wholesalers out there, unfortunately, VERY few are worth working with. You need to be very careful and run your own numbers. Even the Auctions are competitive, that's just the market we are in right now.

It is a competitive market in Oklahoma, same as everywhere else.  My advice on how to get started is to keep your job and get your feet wet with one property.  See how it goes.  Run your numbers and trust your numbers, don't fall in love with any house you look at.  Remember, it's a business.   Make sure you have multiple outs, there will be things that come up you don't have in the budget.  Make sure you have a contingency for that.

Don't rush, it make take some time the first time around to find that right deal for you.  But, that's better than jumping in and losing a bunch of money because you rushed or tried to make a property fit into your numbers.

Listen to the warnings, it is a tough business, don't dismiss those warnings.   But, that also doesn't mean you can't make it happen with hard work and good Business sense.

Post: Am I missing something??

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

Is it 100% occupied or is that estimated cash flow?    Maybe it wasn't always 100% and they got themselves into a hole they're not able to get out of.  

Post: Expectations from a GC

Ron DaughertyPosted
  • Flipper
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 51

1) Do you pay something like 1/3 up front, 1/3 half way through and 1/3 when project is finished? 

    No,  we spell out in the agreement the pay structure.  We start with 25% down for our work.


2) Do you get in writing a list of everything your GC said they would do for a certain price? 

    Yes and No,  the GC doesn't always include everything in their quote, some are laughable how little they put in writing.  We write our own bid with a complete list of the work we expect and then make them sign it.  We use our own contract/bid sheet.

3) If your GC goes over the bid and asks for more money to complete a flip job, how do you handle? 

We make them show what they need more money for and why.  If it's legitimate we will come to an agreement for a fair price.  Let's face it, in this business not everything can be seen and it's not always their fault.   If they can't explain the need, the answer is NO.


4) Do GC's clean up the items to throw away when done? 

Yes to a degree, they pick up but generally don't do what I would call a final ready clean.   We do that ourselves.


5) When a kitchen needs new appliances, does most GC's include replacing those in their bid? 

We don't have GC handle appliances.  We can generally get that done ourselves for less.


6) Are things like ceiling fans, lights, etc being replaced usually included in a bid price? 

We include it in our revised bid if we want it.  The more you document the better, no questions from either side.  Another reason we write our own sheet.


7) Any reprieve when the GC takes more than 2 times as long as said they would? 

It shouldn't get to that point.  You should spot that long before it gets to that point.  Communication is key here, if they aren't meeting your expectations, let them know and talk it through.   If they still can't meet your expectations, get rid of them.  


8) Does a GC make about 10% above their costs usually? In Oklahoma, for starters?   

Sounds like you are referring to overhead and profit, those are usually 10% for each on remodel jobs.  We don't pay it out that way.  We lump it into our bid as a total amount.  It's in there still, it's just a matter of how you want the quote.


9) When a GC does a bid and didn't mention details about the outside of the home (i.e.- paint), is it assumed they don't

Not on ours, we spell out everything they are expected to do.

That's what we do, when we hire a GC.  But, with that said we rarely hire a true GC.   We are generally hiring subs and handling the GC part ourself.   When we do hire a GC, we have found  the above eliminates a lot of the problems you will run into.   Don't assume anything and communicate and things will usually go smoother.   

First sign of trouble, you should be having a sit down and set your expectations.  If they still aren't meeting them, don't prolong it.  Fire them and move on, it never gets better all of a sudden, so move on.

This is how we handle it.  Probably not a perfect method, in fact I know it isn't or I wouldn't have trouble with construction people on a weekly basis, but at least it's usually other problems like shoddy work or not showing up when they say they will.