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All Forum Posts by: Rusty Scott

Rusty Scott has started 15 posts and replied 205 times.

Post: How to overcome economical downturn as landlord

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83

I was landlording throughout the great recession in Indy, and never really had much in the way of vacancy. 

Actually found that people were renting longer than they would in a good economy, where a lot of renters would become buyers. 

Values clearly fell, but rents did not really change. 

I do think the really low income areas likely struggled, but middle income areas were not a problem, at least locally for me. 

I certainly wouldn't invest or not based upon some fear of what might happen 5 years from now. 

Post: Sub $100k, Sub $50k, Sub $30k Investor Financing Options!

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83

Questions on cash reserves....

6 months PITI reserves per property (over 4 mortgages). Is this pure cash? Or do things such as retirement accounts qualify?

Post: I am giving away for free a duplex to a BP member see requirments

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83
Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Bill Gulley   would appreciate your input here and your help on the project.

AS this is going to be a private citizen not a Habitat type org.

How would you structure this to make sure that the person doing this is successful.

I want to make sure the job gets done.. your detailed thoughts on structure would be a good learning experience for others.

Thank you in advance for your assistance on this.

 Several ways to attack this Jay. The grantee is going to have a gift tax applicable to them, they could have less of a tax burden with the forgiveness of debt from a seller financed note. If the grantee is to sell later on, the note could be paid off and the proceeds donated.

I'm not concerned at all about your "advertising" free, the intent is not to profit from the transaction. "Free" to a non-profit works because there are no tax consequences for the non-profit, there will be to a tax payer. Free may not be the best solution. Not only does the grantee have gift tax issues, they have no basis in the property so all sale proceeds will be a gain. That's why I mentioned speaking to your accountant.

Another way, probably better as to control the project, would be to use TIC, TAC, TOE, Tenancy In Common with a TIC Agreement that spells out the conditions, restrictions and requirements along with a reversion of the interest in the event of default, a repurchase agreement. A seller financed note can buy 49%, (whatever) upon completion the note could be paid and funds donated.

You donation is the same, in cash or at market value. I keep donations on a cash basis, much easier and no questions arise as to the value. Otherwise, you may need an as is appraisal and an appraisal upon completion. 

The desired end result is to help the BP member get started. In a TIC, profits are not restricted to the % of ownership interest held, you can make the grantee, minor interest holder any deal you want to, but they will still have taxes on gains.......so be it, we all pay taxes. Gift taxes can be a killer!

The issue I see is granting title under conditions, you can make a gift with strings attached, you may restrict the deed but, after conveyance control is more difficult. Using the TIC allows the member to go in a rehab, staying in title gives you control over the project.

If it's a buy and hold, you can be the minor interest holder, that limits your liability and the member's from judgments, bankruptcy, creditors, etc. You can stay in for 3 years, then quit claim your interest. Rents can be donated and the member may take profits under the TIC Agreement.

Another way is to use an LLC and admit the BP member, use an Operating Agreement, convey capital/equity as earned income to the BP partner. The same strategy can be accomplished under a TIC Agreement as well. Compensation paid must be reasonable, but it can reduce any gifted amount later on.

I don't mind "helping" you on this project, however I cannot put the deal together for you, general consultation is one thing on the internnet, having no interest in a property and specifically facilitating the transaction I can't do, I'm not an attorney, much less an attorney in Indy!  

How this is best structured will depend on who the lucky member will be, their experience, skill set, funding available, rehab requirements, their intentions to hold or sell. 

Just saying, I've turned down $1 houses. Good luck :) 

Bill, wouldn't this situation be under the gift tax exclusion?

Post: I am giving away for free a duplex to a BP member see requirments

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

Update. I Have 6 good responses and am waiting on their Resume' and ability to finish project and will update as soon as we have someone that will be a good fit.

I want to make sure who ever takes this on is not stretching themselves to thin and can get the project done... undercapitalization in this business can lead to monetary loss's very quickly... I don't need any more practice working with half done rehab jobs... I have had enough to last a lifetime  LOL

 Hi Jay

I live on the north side of Indy, and have been in the rental business in the area for some time now. Capitalization wouldn't be an issue for a project this size, either. If you are still looking for a possible candidate, let me know. 

Regardless, a very, very cool idea!

Post: Diary of a PIG -- Fredericksburg, VA -- SFH

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83
Originally posted by @Eddy Dumire:

So we filed for the writ of possession and were contacted about 24 hours later by the Sheriff.  We scheduled to perform the eviction on Friday.  I had a dumpster delivered Tuesday morning in preparation.  I got a text from the tenant on Wednesday asking about some of her items (which I didn't know anything about).  She also let me know that they had vacated the property at that time.

I confirmed with her that everything remaining in the property was trash.  I did go ahead and wait until the eviction time, change the locks and then waited another 24 hours to start throwing things in the dumpster outside.  They had cleared out very little and it took my son and I the whole day to clear most of the items out of the house.

We were approached by no less than 5 neighbors throughout the day making comments about how glad they were to have the place cleaned up, how shocked they were that people would live that way, and how sorry for us they were that we had to clean up after them.  The inside of the house smelled horrible and after all the personal items were removed and the carpet and pad, it was better but not completely resolved.  There are original hardwood floors underneath the nasty carpet but I think they may be too far gone to be salvaged.

Unfortunately I've decided that I have to gut the bathroom.  I was really hoping that wouldn't be the case.  I also had a guy out to give me an estimate on an HVAC install.  The house currently has a baseboard heat system that very well may be original (1960's).  I'm going to bite the bullet and pull out the baseboard and install central heat and air conditioning.  I think the AC will help me get a premium over the neighboring rents.

I was shocked that the estimate for the new system came in at $7,500.  As I've mentioned this is a tiny 725 sf house.  The plan was to mount the new furnace in the attic and run primarily flex duct to each of the rooms.  The house is a 25'x29' box and there are 5 rooms.  I know that I can find suitable systems at online HVAC wholesalers for less than $2k.  The ducting, registers, returns, etc would be far less than $1000.  That would mean these guys want to make $4500 for labor for just a few days of work.  Needless to say I'm looking for other quotes.

Finally, a neighbor offered to clean the house for $250.  I took him up on the offer in addition to giving him a grill that the prior occupants left behind.  I thought it would be a gesture of goodwill and would help me get a set of eyes on the property on a regular basis.  I've also installed a couple of security cameras inside and bought a wifi hotspot.  I get email alerts with pictures any time there's movement in the house.

At this point, this house is sitting empty and likely will be so through the holidays and maybe into Jan.  I really hope I can get a lease signed for Feb.  I just got a new house myself and converted my old one to a rental.  It has some renovation work to be done too so I have two vacancies right now and it's really eating into my monthly cashflow.

 This is a pretty great story Eddy. I guess more than anything, what have you learned from this process? For me, reading it, my takeaway is never sign an existing tenant unless they meet the same qualifications as you have for new tenants. You could have had them out of there in July/Aug and had it fixed and rented to a qualified tenant by October, don't you think? 

Post: Real Estate License or Not?

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83
Originally posted by @Brad Smith:

I think the only potential problem has to do with disclosures for selling and, since I'm not planning to sell anything at this juncture Rusty, I don't think it's a real issue.  As a buyer, I can't imagine anything that I could do wrong...?  I was simply paraphrasing what the lawyer/realtor told me to see what others' opinions were on the matter.  As I said, my decision is made but I can't close this discussion so others will continue to comment.  :-)

 Correct....and even selling, as long as you are honest in the representing the property, and not intentionally concealing a known defect, you'll be totally fine. You disclose on the listing that it's agent owned, and that's about it. 

The downside of it is the cost/time. You'll likely need to be doing at min 2 closings per year to cover your fees, depending upon your price points. Good luck.

Post: Real Estate License or Not?

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83

Always makes me laugh when people are wary of higher standards and liability. How exactly are you planning to operate your investing that those should ever be a concern?

Post: Feedback Request: Practicing Property Assessment

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83

IMO, very difficult to find anything that will be long run profitable, long distance (needing PM), that rents under $800/mo. 

Only exception being if you hit a hot area with appreciation.

Post: looking to buy and hold single family in Indianapolis

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Rusty Scott:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Ryan Mullin:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Ryan Mullin:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Why?

and no one has ever made any money in Indy...   

Not true, I've heard some Turkey Providers are killing it by selling $30,000 houses to CA "investors" for $50,000.  

 LOL....   or 60 or 70 or 80k!   It happens...  

Dang Ryan, ONLY 35 cents rent per sf.  ($700/2000sf)

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/apa/5343439944....

If I put in cheap $2,00 laminate it will take ALL my rent for almost SIX months without considering installation!

Are there any areas that actually have rent growth and appreciation?

 Lol....Bob, I haven't been on here for a few months, but looks like you have kept at it.

As we've talked before, a lot what you say is true. I personally don't buy an Indy rental that rents under $800....actually am currently trending more towards the $900 to $1k min range....and I self manage. Anyone out of state trying to buy sub $750 rentals, and have them managed, is not going to make money. That's almost a sure thing, unless you hit a hot, appreciating area. 

Aloha Rusty,  so what's going on with this property?   

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/condo,apartme...

Over 6 months on the market even with my offer of trading a winter month on Waikiki Gold Coast!  I guess if a CA buyer has that much money they buy profitable deals in CA.  LOL

I think that property is amazing....but certainly would take a unique buyer. Living in a converted church isn't for everyone, I suppose. Nor is the $950/mo HOA

Post: looking to buy and hold single family in Indianapolis

Rusty ScottPosted
  • Real Estate Broker & Investor
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 83
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Ryan Mullin:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Ryan Mullin:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Why?

and no one has ever made any money in Indy...   

Not true, I've heard some Turkey Providers are killing it by selling $30,000 houses to CA "investors" for $50,000.  

 LOL....   or 60 or 70 or 80k!   It happens...  

Dang Ryan, ONLY 35 cents rent per sf.  ($700/2000sf)

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/apa/5343439944....

If I put in cheap $2,00 laminate it will take ALL my rent for almost SIX months without considering installation!

Are there any areas that actually have rent growth and appreciation?

 Lol....Bob, I haven't been on here for a few months, but looks like you have kept at it.

As we've talked before, a lot what you say is true. I personally don't buy an Indy rental that rents under $800....actually am currently trending more towards the $900 to $1k min range....and I self manage. Anyone out of state trying to buy sub $750 rentals, and have them managed, is not going to make money. That's almost a sure thing, unless you hit a hot, appreciating area.