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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Porter

Ryan Porter has started 2 posts and replied 30 times.

Post: What's the best way a Broker can offer value and best work with investors?

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

In short, investors want security. Once they have decided to spend their money, they want to ensure it's secure in whatever they invest. In this case, real estate. My pitch to investors and what we strive to do is find them the best home for their money. Once we decide on a home, we will have it inspected by a home inspector and a property manager. We will give them a list of things the home needs to be rent-ready, a list of things they can do that will increase the value of the home for resale, and a list of things that may pop up in the future. That way, they know exactly what they are buying. Also, have some rock-solid property managers in your pocket. I started my own a few years ago to give my clients the best possible management experience. I know that an out-of-state investor is not just buying one home, so we want to provide a great experience all the way around to keep the business flow. Be as turnkey as you can. 

Post: Burn House-Need to get out fire smell

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

The few I have done, we coated the studs with Kiltz. I never tried to save the duct work though, all have needed new HVAC with duct. 

Post: Is Now the Right Time to Start?

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Mark Morosky

The Real Estate Crash of 2008-2010 caused real estate prices to crash across the country - but didn't affect rent amounts. This caused a historically unique opportunity for investors - they could buy Class A properties and immediately cashflow when renting them out.

This couldn't last forever, and it didn't, as excited new investors drove up prices.

Eventually, Class A property values increased to the point that even increasing rents didn't allow them to cashflow upon purchase.

So, the flood of new investors switched to buying Class B properties.

COVID created a chaotic spike in both the sale & rental markets, attracting even more new real estate investors. According to CoreLogic, in December of 2023, almost 30% of home sales were to investors!

Investment also spiked in Class A Short-Term Rentals (STR) and investors started paying higher and higher prices based upon anticipated STR rental rates, that exceeded sustainability based upon Long-Term Rental rates (LTR).

Now we're seeing investors pouring money into buying Class C rentals - but, many are getting burned.

In our experience & opinion, the main determinant of property Class is not location or even property condition, those are #2 and #3. The #1 determinant is the Tenant Pool.

If you don't believe us, try putting several Class D tenants in Class A apartment buildings and watch what happens. Or try the reverse - rehab a property to Class A standards in a Class D neighborhood and try to get a Class A or B tenant to rent it.

Unfortunately, many newbie real estate investors are jumping into buying affordable Class C rentals - expecting Class A results. In our opinion, Class C tenants have FICO scores from 560 to 620 - where their chance of default/nonpayment is 15-22%. See the chart from Fair Isaac Company (FICO) below:

FICO Score

Pct of Population

Default Probability

800 or more

13.00%

1.00%

750-799

27.00%

1.00%

700-749

18.00%

4.40%

650-699

15.00%

8.90%

600-649

12.00%

15.80%

550-599

8.00%

22.50%

500-549

5.00%

28.40%

Less than 499

2.00%

41.00%

Source: Fair Isaac Company

According to this chart, investors should use corresponding vacancy+tenant-nonperformance factors of approximately 5% for Class A rentals, 10% for Class B and 20% for Class C.

To address Class C payment challenges, many industry "experts" are now selling programs to newbie investors about how Section 8 tenants are the cure. If only it was that easy. Yes, the government pays the Section 8 rent timely, but more and more tenants are having to pay a portion of their rent. Then there are the challenges with Section 8 tenants paying utilities and taking care of their rental property.

Investors should fully understand that Section 8 is not a cure-all for Class C & D tenant challenges, it's just trading one set of problems for another.

We see too many investors not doing enough research to fully understand all this and making naïve investing decisions.


We're over in Metro Detroit - where you can still find cashflowing Class B rentals in the Ring Cities:)

 In Jackson, MS, the "class C rentals" are usually built in the 1950s and 1960s. After that, they have been patched on, painted over, glued shut, and oiled infrequently. The homes are just in bad shape. Which in turn, you will likely have a bad renter. The newer, nicer homes that don't have over three mainace calls a year usually tend to attract the better tenants. 

Post: Is Now the Right Time to Start?

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Ryan Porter Speaking of striking out on the MLS... are you spending $$$ on marketing for off market leads? Working with wholesalers? Or simply doing a combination to find opportunities?

We're striking out constantly and it's probably because we're not throwing money at any marketing. Sales is not my strength. Wholesaling RE has not been a personal goal. We're BRRRR investors so it's been tough.


 I concentrate on three areas that I love to flip in: text, call, postcard, and email. Every 3 months, they will hear from me in one of those forms in rotation. Most of my best deals have come from referrals, though. I constantly let my sphere know I am flipping homes through social media. I got a nice lead this morning from one of my construction companies. Also wholesalers. May I love those guys. They underprice things a lot. Not as much as they overprice, but deals can be found. 

I have bought two homes off of Upnest this year. Those are Realtor.com seller leads. Upnest is designed to get real estate listings, but sometimes people want to hit that easy button and sell for cash without having to deal with the public market. 

Post: Is Now the Right Time to Start?

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

Yes, the time is now. Life doesn't wait for interest rates. Find a local mentor, and start putting properties in the calculator. You will likely strike out on the MLS finding anything decent. I would join some local investment groups and hook up with the wholesalers in your area. Also, introduce yourself to as many real estate agents as possible and let them know you are looking. The good news about high rates is that deals can be found. Just make sure and quadruple-check your numbers. Find a deal that works for you on paper. I have been doing this for 9 years and still get nervous about most of my deals. Just make sure the math adds up for the 2 exit strategies. If you plan on getting a rental, ensure it is sellable for a quick profit. If you are flipping, make sure you can rent it if it does not sell for a nice return.

Post: Where I can best advertise my property for sale beside the MLS

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

Put together a spreadsheet using the bigger pockets calculator. Do two: one using cash purchase and the other using a bank loan with 20% down. On investment homes, I have learned that it matters less about how cute they are and more about the numbers. 

Post: Current BRRR Situation

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

I talked to Cadence Bank In Jackson, MS, this week about a Brrr I am doing. After you have the lease signed, they will do an appraisal. You can pull 80% of the value on a 20-year amortization with a five-year rate lock. The rate on Friday was 8.79%.

Post: Is This Irresponsible or Sophisticated?

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

How much is the buy-in? If the downpayment + closing cost is free, and you are doing a triple net lease to keep any repairs on the tenant in the next ten years, it may be worth the trouble. The 30-year amortization I am not crazy about either. If you could make it break even on a 15-year note, that would be an entirely different story. I wouldn't want to take a break-even property with any risk at all. Unless it's an Airbnb that I could stay in a few times a year, haha! 

Post: What would you do?

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

I would choose A. If you are starting out investing in real estate, you will have a lot less chance of failing by keeping your eyes on your investment. Out-of-state investing can be risky. Half of the homes I look at where someone is upside down are an out-of-state investment gone bad. 

Good Luck! 

Post: What are some good STR loans out there today?

Ryan Porter
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Jackson Ms
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 23

I have found lately that banks want 20% down on an Airbnb if it is turn-key. If the unit is income producing for 2 years, you can use that income on your DTI. If you are unable to do that, you can still Brrr an Airbnb as long as your income will carry the DTI needed to secure the loan. The downside of an Airbnb Brrr, from what I have seen, is that you cannot use the income from the property on your DTI. This limits the volume of what you can do versus a year contract rental. Not to mention the $5,000 - $8,000 to furnish them. Once you set them up as a business, and after two years of steady income, the bank will use that income on your DTI. It is a slow growth in AirBnb world for us poor folk!