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All Forum Posts by: Salina Doe

Salina Doe has started 5 posts and replied 27 times.

Quote from @Douglas Snook:

You should be able to evict them asap if there is criminal activity at the unit. Have the police been called?


 Multiple times. I have called the police on him for noise ordinance at 3am and called the police on the trespassers. I just got a copy of the CAD report from my local police department and I couldnt request a more detailed report for some reason - front desk girl was very difficult. I will have my attorney request it. On the CAD report there were 17 incidents minus the 2 I have made in the past year. I was told by my attorney that there really isnt much I can do as he is a serious junkie if I dont have valid evidence. His soon to be exwife and ex stepdaughter reached out to me and sent a video of his stash but my attorney said it wont be any good since it doesnt have a recent timestamp on it or a video that he is using drugs in the unit. I am also occupying the unit above him and I am most likely going to be very familiar with the police officers from here on out until I can get this junkie out of my house. 

Quote from @Douglas Snook:

You indicated you spoke to an attorney. What else did that attorney tell you about evicting them? You can evict for non-payment of their share of the rent. You have to be sure to give Section 8 (or whatever program they are on) notice as well. You may want to proceed with terminating their tenancy instead. If you serve them notice of non-payment, they can always cure and that would end the eviction.

No matter which way you proceed, you need to start ASAP as it will take some time to get a mediation date and then an actual court date


 Hi Douglas, I just spoke to my attorney and before meeting with him his soon to be ex-wife which is the head household of Section 8 confirmed that her soon to be ex-husband are using heavy substances as well as having squatters in the unit. My attorney has said it is extremely messy and possibly could have this hell of a tenant stay rent free with his junkie friends up to 6 months in the unit. Since they are section 8 recipients I have to abide by the HAP contract and not the original lease the seller had them signed. I have to send a new notice to quit to end the tenancy as my first notice was not legal. So my attorney is sending a constable to reissue a 30-day notice to quit - end of tenancy and then start the eviction process once the end date is up and they have not left the unit. I know they will not as this guy is extremely mentally unstable and getting his fix constantly. I see him going in and out random times during day and night and always very active at 3am. 

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Salina Doe:

Don't accept the first answer you get. Do a Google search for "eviction attorney [city name]" and try to talk to 3-4 different ones to get a feel for their experience, their timeline, and their fees. Also read through their online reviews and look for good reviews from Landlords and bad reviews from people that have been evicted, which is a sign they are doing the right thing.


 Thanks Nathan! 

Hi Landlords and Investors, 

I am starting my first eviction with a Section 8 tenant who has not paid for 2 months rent now in Massachusetts. Since it's my first eviction, I don't know what to expect - especially for a Section 8 tenant as there are more in depth and specific notices to provide them. I am hiring an eviction attorney and I wanted to know how long does it take to evict someone out of my property and the cost of it like attorney fees...etc? 

I have been quoted around $4k-$5k and additional hourly charge if it gets complicated. Not sure if this is the average cost to hire an eviction attorney. 

Please share your experience! Thank you in advance.

Quote from @Patricia Steiner:

@Salina Doe

That attorney just wants the joy of your billable hours. The caseworker/HUD know that without landlords -happy landlords - they are left with a bunch of homeless clients. The Housing Authority isn't out to alienate landlords nor cater to clients who violate their contracts with the Federal Government.


Thank you, Patricia! I will take your advice and make sure their case worker is aware on what is going on. 

Quote from @John Underwood:
Quote from @Salina Doe:
Quote from @John Underwood:
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

Why don't you talk to their case worker?  They might be able to help them find another place.  The risk of them losing their section 8 should be enough to make them want to move.


 I agree with this.

Talk to their case worker first.

What is their share of the rent? 


John, they are only paying $500 for their portion of the rent and Section 8 covers 2/3 of the rent. Total of $1,512. They owe 2 months rent now. 


 Often if the tenant is struggling they can go back to Section 8 and get section to cover 100% of rent.


 Hey John, is this something I can request myself from Section 8 or would this have to come from the tenant? Thanks!

Quote from @Patricia Steiner:

Call their caseworker. There is an eviction process that is specific to HUD; the 'client/tenant's' voucher can be terminated for non-compliance. And, here's a harsh reality: you mean nothing to the tenant...their caseworker is the one with the power. Go to their caseworker (if you don't know who it is, look up the local office of '(city/county) Housing Authority' and call the office. Often times, the caseworkers are listed by their clients' last name.

Again, let the housing authority take care of this for you. It's faster - and the court will only push back to the case worker after you file.  You gotta know how this works...and use it to your advantage.


Thank you, Patricia. I did get an advice from an eviction attorney here in MA a few days ago and they have told me that there is no point to contact their caseworker since they do not care about me, the landlord. But most of the comments here have agreed to escalate this to their caseworker and that is something I will do first thing tomorrow morning. 

Quote from @John Underwood:
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

Why don't you talk to their case worker?  They might be able to help them find another place.  The risk of them losing their section 8 should be enough to make them want to move.


 I agree with this.

Talk to their case worker first.

What is their share of the rent? 


John, they are only paying $500 for their portion of the rent and Section 8 covers 2/3 of the rent. Total of $1,512. They owe 2 months rent now. 

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Salina Doe:

The question isn't whether or not you can still receive Section 8 funds. The question is whether or not you want to keep this tenant. I don't know why you would.

1. They are probably below market rate so you are losing money.

2. Despite receiving government assistance for a decade, they're still incapable of paying their portion on time or appreciating what they've got.

3. They are damaging the property by smoking inside.

4. They are violating the lease by allowing unauthorized occupants.

5. They are acting hostile towards you.

This is not normal behavior. This is how the bottom 10% of tenants act. If it were me, I would contact the caseworker and explain that you want to terminate their lease for non-payment of rent and other lease violations. Whether the caseworker helps or not, you should figure out how to get rid of them, clean up the unit, and rent it at a fair market rate to people that will appreciate your rental.


 Nathan, thank you for the advice. I will call their case worker tomorrow. I hope they will be able to help! 

Quote from @Alan Williams:

Would recommed proceeding carefully and consider the means of the lowest cost (loss) strategy for your specific situation ...

(Dependent on your State/Local ordinances. This is not legal advice please consult with you attorney).

Consider a step-by-step process increasing the pressure on the tenant with each step while accumulating documentation (which will be needed in Eviction Court):

As per the prior comment, first contact the State Agency sponsoring/funding the Section 8 payments and document for them all the issues to see if a resolution can be reached. One minor exception to the comment: not advisable to lose Section 8 funding which could result both an immediate lose of further rents and/or a squatting/eviction scenario.

Next:
1) In terms of the late rent payment(s) - consider a 3-Day Notice to "Cure or Quit". 

2) If step 1) ineffective, consider the lease type - in many states if month-to-month the lessor has the right to submit "30-Day Notice to Vacate" without cause. 

3) If step 2) is ineffective, an Unlawful Detainer (aka Eviction) could be pursued. There will be significant cost and time involved, hence the alternative, pre-emptive steps outlined.

Focus on loss minimization rather than an emotional response.

Best of Luck -


 Thank you, Alan. I will contact their case manager and inform them about this situation. From what the case manager has told me if they are still in the unit even though they're not paying rent I am still able to receive funds.