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All Forum Posts by: Sam Yin

Sam Yin has started 3 posts and replied 572 times.

Post: RE Investing - Not a good option right now

Sam Yin
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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 583
  • Votes 737
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Sam Yin:
Quote from @Henry Clark:

@Charles Granja  Ok if you respond again.

Your correct 2+2= 4 is less than 3+3=6.  The basic math of real estate, no matter what angle are harder today.  Whether interest rates, purchase price, construction costs, financing access, returns, etc.

BUT;  today is the best day to ever invest in Real Estate.

1.  The government has made Real Estate investing an unfair advantage versus other investments.

2. Yes, this is qualitative, but the majority of BP posters are first time or just starting out in REI. This is the best time ever, unless it was yesterday for them to start to invest.  A first-time investor has far more options in their tool chest versus experienced investors.  The typical "Investor?????Poster???" on BP is a first time investor, most who will never invest.  The other Experienced investors, again qualitative have more than 4-5 properties or have had more than that.  An example of my recommendation to a new investor is to go buy a house with easy re-sale, that needs superficial changes such as painting, landscaping, new carpet, roofing, etc.  Not structural changes.  For an experienced investor, I always like "Nasty" properties or situations, I can make more money on them and control the risk.  The middle-aged adult with 4-5 properties, I would recommend they start to prune their investments.  Re-assess their Risk/Reward on their properties and REI strategies and re-deploy.

3.  We all have to make our mistakes.  I'm sure all of our mothers told us to not touch the fire.  We all still touched it.  One of my sayings is "Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early".  They say never try to time the market in financial investments.  But in Real Estate, I say time your markets.  We are in a Tough environment. It's the best time to invest "small" and get your big mistakes out of the way now.  Before the market turns to good.

4.  "Jump off the Cliff".  Most people will never jump off the Cliff and invest.  They will follow the herd and do 401k's.   The sooner you jump off the cliff and start to learn, the sooner you will start building your wealth.

5. I like to look at people's backgrounds before responding. You're a military vet. I would recommend all HS graduates join the military. There is not another profession in the world, that I would not guarantee they will be millionaires by the time they are say 42 (retirement age) using REI as the military. No is the best time for a Military person to invest. Even if they Sale for less than they bought, they make a profit. BAH payments.

6.  If you keep doing what you do, it is harder to make the same volume or return levels.  Every person needs to look at adjusting their approach.  We had 8 Self Storage locations.  Sold one about 2 years ago and took cash off the table.  Have 3 more in Due Diligence right now, in a C market.  Need to build more there, but cost to build is too high to get the same returns.  Selling those 3, which are positive cash flow (no debt) and re-deploying those funds to either Self Storage/Flex buildings in an "A" market (same building cost, but double the rent rates); picking up some more farm land at $9,000 and subdividing for $50,000 per acre; or investing in more land for Teak plantations in Belize.  Adjust your model.  Realize these aren't MFH, but you can take similar approaches in MFH.

I second this post!... Mostly... This is probably one of the most informative response in a while. 

Not knocking on you Henry, but as a Vet myself, and I do agree people should join the military as it provides so many benefits in the future, I also feel that sometimes even the core training of the military will not stick with everyone. People have inherent personalities and traits that are difficult to change. The military will make many people much more resilient and courageous, but not every soldier. At the same time, it will provide every soldier the same future financial benefits, but not every soldier will take advantage of it. Even when it is fully explained, an individual must have the courage to take the plunge and jump off that cliff.

I would like the note #5. For any first time vet on the fence, reread the last 2 lines of #5. I  personally did not do that, but I wish I did!!! I was in the military in the mid 90s, a slightly different time with zero Internet information and the world was very active.

@Charles Granja

@Charles Granja please do return and continue to post. It's the dialogue that will add the greatest value to this forum.

Your comments: "I do agree people should join the military as it provides so many benefits in the future" 

But, sadly you get shot at in countries that didn't attack us, this government has no respect for you and veterans have an abnormally high suicide rate. That is too much of a price to pay to save a few dollars on an investment property.
The other aspects of military service creates unquantifiable lifelong benefits. Besides the obvious that it is a path for some people to escape out of the lower than average socio-economic situation, the training, team building, and exposure to people from many walks of life is probably the greatest benefit that is hard to find elsewhere. Many people will never know whats outside their social  and economic circle. Most will not believe how vast the people and the world really is. It takes intentional placement of oneself to immerse in those conditions. The out come is a people that can better cope with a variety of situations and people. That's is a tremendous quality to have in any investing environment, ESPECIALLY real estate. 

Just my personal opinion. From a person who has been around the USA multiple times and many other countries. Those are your renters you will have to deal with or will have a Manager deal with... But don't ever let the chef be the chief of your business.

Post: RE Investing - Not a good option right now

Sam Yin
Posted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 583
  • Votes 737
Quote from @Henry Clark:

@Charles Granja  Ok if you respond again.

Your correct 2+2= 4 is less than 3+3=6.  The basic math of real estate, no matter what angle are harder today.  Whether interest rates, purchase price, construction costs, financing access, returns, etc.

BUT;  today is the best day to ever invest in Real Estate.

1.  The government has made Real Estate investing an unfair advantage versus other investments.

2. Yes, this is qualitative, but the majority of BP posters are first time or just starting out in REI. This is the best time ever, unless it was yesterday for them to start to invest.  A first-time investor has far more options in their tool chest versus experienced investors.  The typical "Investor?????Poster???" on BP is a first time investor, most who will never invest.  The other Experienced investors, again qualitative have more than 4-5 properties or have had more than that.  An example of my recommendation to a new investor is to go buy a house with easy re-sale, that needs superficial changes such as painting, landscaping, new carpet, roofing, etc.  Not structural changes.  For an experienced investor, I always like "Nasty" properties or situations, I can make more money on them and control the risk.  The middle-aged adult with 4-5 properties, I would recommend they start to prune their investments.  Re-assess their Risk/Reward on their properties and REI strategies and re-deploy.

3.  We all have to make our mistakes.  I'm sure all of our mothers told us to not touch the fire.  We all still touched it.  One of my sayings is "Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early".  They say never try to time the market in financial investments.  But in Real Estate, I say time your markets.  We are in a Tough environment. It's the best time to invest "small" and get your big mistakes out of the way now.  Before the market turns to good.

4.  "Jump off the Cliff".  Most people will never jump off the Cliff and invest.  They will follow the herd and do 401k's.   The sooner you jump off the cliff and start to learn, the sooner you will start building your wealth.

5. I like to look at people's backgrounds before responding. You're a military vet. I would recommend all HS graduates join the military. There is not another profession in the world, that I would not guarantee they will be millionaires by the time they are say 42 (retirement age) using REI as the military. No is the best time for a Military person to invest. Even if they Sale for less than they bought, they make a profit. BAH payments.

6.  If you keep doing what you do, it is harder to make the same volume or return levels.  Every person needs to look at adjusting their approach.  We had 8 Self Storage locations.  Sold one about 2 years ago and took cash off the table.  Have 3 more in Due Diligence right now, in a C market.  Need to build more there, but cost to build is too high to get the same returns.  Selling those 3, which are positive cash flow (no debt) and re-deploying those funds to either Self Storage/Flex buildings in an "A" market (same building cost, but double the rent rates); picking up some more farm land at $9,000 and subdividing for $50,000 per acre; or investing in more land for Teak plantations in Belize.  Adjust your model.  Realize these aren't MFH, but you can take similar approaches in MFH.

I second this post!... Mostly... This is probably one of the most informative response in a while. 

Not knocking on you Henry, but as a Vet myself, and I do agree people should join the military as it provides so many benefits in the future, I also feel that sometimes even the core training of the military will not stick with everyone. People have inherent personalities and traits that are difficult to change. The military will make many people much more resilient and courageous, but not every soldier. At the same time, it will provide every soldier the same future financial benefits, but not every soldier will take advantage of it. Even when it is fully explained, an individual must have the courage to take the plunge and jump off that cliff.

I would like the note #5. For any first time vet on the fence, reread the last 2 lines of #5. I  personally did not do that, but I wish I did!!! I was in the military in the mid 90s, a slightly different time with zero Internet information and the world was very active.

@Charles Granja

@Charles Granja please do return and continue to post. It's the dialogue that will add the greatest value to this forum.

Post: RE Investing - Not a good option right now

Sam Yin
Posted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 583
  • Votes 737
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Sam Yin:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Charles Granja:
Hello Bruce,
It's not about interest rates, its about yields and principal risk.

In investments you have market risk and idiosyncratic risk.
When we think on quantifying these risks and assigning a discount rate, we can look at 2 components. Risk-free rate and risk premium

This is an informal way of showing you that what you are saying is incorrect:
If the risk-free rate is 5%, then an investor should not invest in anything with risk at 5%. That would mean real estate, stocks, literally anything.
-Why would I invest in anything that has risk when I can get the same yield risk-free?

If the SMP 500 gives an average return of 7% return each year, and has minimal risk, then we do not want to invest in anything that has more risk for the same yield.
-If a value-add project/flip/start-up also give a 7% return, why would I invest in those projects when they are giving the same yield as an index fund? 

Interest rates could be 50% right now, but if we are getting a 20% IRR it doesnt matter.

Real estate prices have increased considerably in recent years due to low interest rates. Now that we are in a high interest rate environment with high prices, real estate yields have been compressed, and are generally not worth it given their risk profiles.
Thank you for taking the time to reply with your opinion. We think very differently about this apparently.....

It's really not about either interest rates, yields or principal risk when you get right down to it. It's about can the investor make enough money, in whatever amount of time they feel comfortable with, to make them happy (with the perceived ROI and other factors that make people happy).

You are assigning a risk rate of 5% (or whatever) to RE. That's an assumption. Lots of people :-) can find properties, fix them up a little and double their money in a couple years. Then you have a different ball game, eh?

You do say that RE is 'generally' not worth it, so you got that right. Kinda, sorta..... But with your inside-the-box thinking, I would definitely not recommend that you purchase Real Estate anytime soon.


Hi Bruce, very neutrally posted, and wise. I respect you for that Bruce.  I totally agree with the perspective. Interest rates are not high. Prices are still low. And deals are out there and flying off some shelves. One only has to actually look. I see deals everywhere, I just whish I had the capital, the time, and the motivation to grab them all. I'm just in a cruise mode at the moment.

Just as what makes a man is not his age, but his experiences, the same applies to real estate. For some context, I'm Gen X. And as such, I have come to understand that some people are just not made for REI, all the time. Where there's a will, there's a way. But it takes WILL, and not just skill, to find the full benefits of REI. Assigning a risk for comparison between two totally different asset classes is not wise investing. This is especially true for REI. And it appears that there is a lack of WILL to find and make deals happen.

Take a moment and think about this... Staying out of the market just because you feel the easier path is in the stock market can hurt you in the long run, if you want to be in REI or use REI to achieve FI. One big difference is leverage. And that's a BIG difference. To get that leverage, as you grow, or aspire to grow, in REI, will require a resume. You just wasted a few lines on you resume because you feel it's safer in the stock market for now. You will destroy so many opportunities for future growth. That resume will determine your future.

Prime example, buy a few lower than desired cash flow properties now and into the next few years vs. investing in a good yielding stock/fund at 7-10%. Now, fast forward a few years and both people are in REI. Who do you think will excell in REI quicker? The guy in the trenches, or the newly minted stock holder with higher cash money? Let me be more clear, who will the lender trust with their money? The guy with a resume, or the guy with $ and stocks? One guy will be able to jump a few times higher than the other.

I would not be able to cruise with just a few years of REI, had I not put in MAXIMUM EFFORT. But it also had to be deliberate moves and a better understanding of real estate. It was all done before I discovered the forum or BP. It comes from experience.

Experience is earned, not studied or debated. But then again, I defer back to my foundational theory... what's your risk tolerance? How much WILL power do you have? Opportunities will always present itself, but only YOU can dictate the EFFORT you will put in for your desired outcome.


 Brilliant response. You get it.....


Yup. I get it. It not for everyone, but it was/is for me. Looks like it was/is for you too.

Im living it and enjoying it. My routine, 1-2 hour breakfast/coffee with my buddy. Then 2 hours at the gym. Followed by taking the wife out to lunch. Now about to pick up kids from school, feed them, and off to Jujitsu. Might hit the gym/sauna again in the evening with a friend. That's what the REI grind provided when people said it was a bad time to buy. And trust me when I say this, MANY people told me it was a bad to invest in RE and "bad timing" MANY times over. I was too stubborn and I just did not listen. Thank goodness! Because they are still at their 9-5 by sheer necessity.

Seriously though, there is no true right or wrong. It just has to fit for each individuals lifestyle and expectations. Buying businesses and buying into the stock market can be just as lucrative and I respect those that do it. I just happen to chose REI for the monthly cash flow rather than stock dividends and valuations.

Post: RE Investing - Not a good option right now

Sam Yin
Posted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 583
  • Votes 737
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Charles Granja:
Hello Bruce,
It's not about interest rates, its about yields and principal risk.

In investments you have market risk and idiosyncratic risk.
When we think on quantifying these risks and assigning a discount rate, we can look at 2 components. Risk-free rate and risk premium

This is an informal way of showing you that what you are saying is incorrect:
If the risk-free rate is 5%, then an investor should not invest in anything with risk at 5%. That would mean real estate, stocks, literally anything.
-Why would I invest in anything that has risk when I can get the same yield risk-free?

If the SMP 500 gives an average return of 7% return each year, and has minimal risk, then we do not want to invest in anything that has more risk for the same yield.
-If a value-add project/flip/start-up also give a 7% return, why would I invest in those projects when they are giving the same yield as an index fund? 

Interest rates could be 50% right now, but if we are getting a 20% IRR it doesnt matter.

Real estate prices have increased considerably in recent years due to low interest rates. Now that we are in a high interest rate environment with high prices, real estate yields have been compressed, and are generally not worth it given their risk profiles.
Thank you for taking the time to reply with your opinion. We think very differently about this apparently.....

It's really not about either interest rates, yields or principal risk when you get right down to it. It's about can the investor make enough money, in whatever amount of time they feel comfortable with, to make them happy (with the perceived ROI and other factors that make people happy).

You are assigning a risk rate of 5% (or whatever) to RE. That's an assumption. Lots of people :-) can find properties, fix them up a little and double their money in a couple years. Then you have a different ball game, eh?

You do say that RE is 'generally' not worth it, so you got that right. Kinda, sorta..... But with your inside-the-box thinking, I would definitely not recommend that you purchase Real Estate anytime soon.


Hi Bruce, very neutrally posted, and wise. I respect you for that Bruce.  I totally agree with the perspective. Interest rates are not high. Prices are still low. And deals are out there and flying off some shelves. One only has to actually look. I see deals everywhere, I just whish I had the capital, the time, and the motivation to grab them all. I'm just in a cruise mode at the moment.

Just as what makes a man is not his age, but his experiences, the same applies to real estate. For some context, I'm Gen X. And as such, I have come to understand that some people are just not made for REI, all the time. Where there's a will, there's a way. But it takes WILL, and not just skill, to find the full benefits of REI. Assigning a risk for comparison between two totally different asset classes is not wise investing. This is especially true for REI. And it appears that there is a lack of WILL to find and make deals happen.

Take a moment and think about this... Staying out of the market just because you feel the easier path is in the stock market can hurt you in the long run, if you want to be in REI or use REI to achieve FI. One big difference is leverage. And that's a BIG difference. To get that leverage, as you grow, or aspire to grow, in REI, will require a resume. You just wasted a few lines on you resume because you feel it's safer in the stock market for now. You will destroy so many opportunities for future growth. That resume will determine your future.

Prime example, buy a few lower than desired cash flow properties now and into the next few years vs. investing in a good yielding stock/fund at 7-10%. Now, fast forward a few years and both people are in REI. Who do you think will excell in REI quicker? The guy in the trenches, or the newly minted stock holder with higher cash money? Let me be more clear, who will the lender trust with their money? The guy with a resume, or the guy with $ and stocks? One guy will be able to jump a few times higher than the other.

I would not be able to cruise with just a few years of REI, had I not put in MAXIMUM EFFORT. But it also had to be deliberate moves and a better understanding of real estate. It was all done before I discovered the forum or BP. It comes from experience.

Experience is earned, not studied or debated. But then again, I defer back to my foundational theory... what's your risk tolerance? How much WILL power do you have? Opportunities will always present itself, but only YOU can dictate the EFFORT you will put in for your desired outcome.

Post: What is the hardest part of DIY management?

Sam Yin
Posted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 583
  • Votes 737

@Nathan Gesner

Set parameters early on. Create a rough list of what you will respond to right away, and what can wait. Response time should be reasonable, but not immediate. Train the tenants to understand that you have a life as well, or else you be taking on another job.

The biggest one... Limit the DIY. find a way to transition it to contractors/handyman. You can still self manage, but repairs should be hired out if possible. I did a lot of work myself earlier on... I mean just about EVERYTHING, minus brazing in new copper lines. It was not worth my time. DIY, but don't DE(verything)Y.

I made many mistakes early on. I got to know tenants and was way to accommodating. I responded to things that I could have made them wait until it was convenient for me. I did not have standards to hold them to. These are all lessons learned early on.

Create standard templates early so you save time when similar issues repeat themselves. Rehearse your approach and conversation so you know when to guide the conversation to a predictable outcome.

Post: Pace Morby has Blown my Mind!!

Sam Yin
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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@Chris Seveney

I was going to use your first and last line, but you beat me to it.

DITTO! High energy in your post, but tread carefully.

Post: House Hacking a Wave of the Next Generations??

Sam Yin
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Sam Yin:

@Steve Vaughan when I look back at the time I did it, I was at the age of modern day Gen Zers ... Many of my age at that time did it. We just did not have the Internet to go around shouting about it

Exactly.  We've had a sustainable 'luxury' househack we raised our family in for the last 17 years and counting. 

HH isn't just for 20-something singles if the house has a MIL apt, ADU, casita, carriage house, etc.

I also recently FSBO'd a side by side duplex in a resi neighborhood (not in plex-ville) where the garage separates to what I'm sure will be a l/t HH.

I told all the investor buyers to pound sand. Drove them crazy. "OO only!" That's how much I believe in it.


 Its always a good feeling to be in control and have draw the line for potential buyers in case you need to take it back. I think they just do not realize that you are looking out for YOUR property as long as you are carrying.

Congrats on the 17 years. That's a good run for a Lux life with HH.  When I got married, I did keep my roommate. I wish I did because she got use to not having any roommates and refused the idea later. There were 3 rooms and 2 bathrooms I forgot I had for 3 years.

Post: House Hacking a Wave of the Next Generations??

Sam Yin
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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 583
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@Steve Vaughan when I look back at the time I did it, I was at the age of modern day Gen Zers ... Many of my age at that time did it. We just did not have the Internet to go around shouting about it.

Heck, my favorite TV shows thought me. The Facts of Life and Threes Company. They just called it roommates.

Post: House Hacking a Wave of the Next Generations??

Sam Yin
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@Anthony Swain

I think that the proliferation of the Internet, quick exposure to information, AND the fact that people have adopted the name "house hack" is the only reason we talk about it today. It's now a focal point of articles since it's a sexier subject than just plain old getting some roommates.

It's been around as long as real estate has been around. I gotta believe it's been around hundreds, if not thousands, of years. I was the "roommate" when I first moved to the US. Then I became the guy collecting the check long before the term house hack was coined.

Post: Puerto Rico- Capital Gain tax zero?

Sam Yin
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Sam Yin:

@Henry Clark this is true... BUT I think you have to live (have residency) there 10 years to get thar full benefits.

I could be wrong... But that's what I last found out in my research. Then again, I'm married, with several kids, so I tbeen known to be wrong several times in the past.

People with US birth right have no problem and no 10 year wait. It's like moving to any other "state".

https://welikepr.com/what-do-you-need-to-move-to-puerto-rico...


 After reading Act 60 more thoroughly, you do indeed get some immediate benefits if you become a resident in Puerto Rico. Mainly, capital gains tax at 15%. But you have to be there 10 years consistently after obtaining the proper residency and approved permits AND meet the annual donation requirements, THEN it will be reduced to 5%.

However, after reviewing this again,I feel all the other details associated with Act 60 is not really worth my while. But it may work for some. You just need to look deeper into it. Valuations prior to establishing residency is tax at different rate. Thus moving there and selling that year or the next is not very beneficial overall.

my 0.02