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All Forum Posts by: Seth Borman

Seth Borman has started 5 posts and replied 545 times.

Post: Adding a unit to duplex - lot 33sqft too small - what to do?

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @DG A.:

@Seth what is that? And how could I use it?

 If the street is wider than the city needs they will sometimes sell the land to you. But you have to ask.

Post: Adding a unit to duplex - lot 33sqft too small - what to do?

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314

Find out if the city has excess right of way...

Post: Multi-Family Development in Central CA. Q about Heat Pumps

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314

You are talking about heat pumps for water heating and space conditioning?

I would build a line in my multiyear pro forma and run the analysis both ways.

Post: Rent vs sell a high cap gain property

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314

I would sell and then hold the money until the market corrects. It seems to be softening a bit, so now would be a good time to exit.

Post: Drop in Sales Price for Boyle Heights Multifamily Units

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @Logan Allec:

@Jacqua Le Fleur Interesting observation.  Yes for the older multis in LA rent control can make or break the deal for a cash flow-seeking investor.  This is why when I was looking for a multi I eventually purchased in a non-rent controlled area.

 Rent control is never a make or break issue. You ability to negotiate tenant buy outs is.

If you can get the vacancies you can get the cash flow.

Post: BRRRR with tenant occupied property

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @JD Martin:
Originally posted by @Jason Chen:

@JD Martin

Completely agree with you on It's difficult to properly rehab a property with someone in it. That's the reason why I think if I need to do the rehab I would have to take out the current tenant. Its easier if the current tenant is paying below market rate, and if the property is vacant. My dilemma was having tenants that already paying at market rate, and that is the case for lots of properties I found right now.  

 If you have a tenant already paying market rate then there's a reasonably good chance there's not much value to be realized in the property such that you're going to get all of your original cash outlay back. Of course, for good properties there's nothing that says it's a crime to leave some of your own equity behind. If you were working off something worth having and could only recover $90k of $100k outlay, if that $10k equity holdover breaks you then you're probably in too tenuous a position to do this anyway. 

Just looking at the math it seems to me that there are plenty of cases where the rent won't go up but the value will, so you can pay more to free up your own cash through refinancing. That increases your CoC performance because you are getting the same rent with less equity.

Post: BRRRR with tenant occupied property

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @Jason Chen:

@Seth Borman good remodel indeed. Did you do this while there are tenants in it?

 Never. We typically buy from owners that leave the neighborhood. We have never renovated with a tenant in place, although we have asked people to leave so we could renovate.

Post: BRRRR with tenant occupied property

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @JD Martin:
Originally posted by @Seth Borman:
Originally posted by @JD Martin:

If you buy a house for $100k, spend $5k to put up some paint and new appliances, and replace a couple of busted doors, you're not likely to refinance this for $140k unless you got it at a super steal for some reason. 

Maybe. We've had a luck of success with buying at $125,000, putting $25,000 in (electrical panel, paint, kitchen remodel, full bath remodel, refinished floors, etc), and financing back out at 80% LTC. We are making about 16% CoC. The SFRs are the low headache way to hold land.

ETA: These are West Coast prices, within commuting distance of Seattle. If we were in the Midwest we might make different choices.

 That's a pretty good remodel, though. New kitchens, baths, floors and wiring does add real value to a house. I didn't mean to suggest that all BRRRRs had to be basket cases, just that a lot of people mistake what they think is going to be value-add from what an appraiser is going to think is value-add. Also, it has to be reasonable against the comps. If comps where you are were $130k, then only crooked or incompetent appraisers are going to get you in at 150. 

The houses will appraise higher than that, closer to $180,000. If we wanted to push we could probably get 80% LTV loans and have no cash in the deal. We have a preferred lender though, for other reasons.

Post: BRRRR with tenant occupied property

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @JD Martin:

If you buy a house for $100k, spend $5k to put up some paint and new appliances, and replace a couple of busted doors, you're not likely to refinance this for $140k unless you got it at a super steal for some reason. 

Maybe. We've had a luck of success with buying at $125,000, putting $25,000 in (electrical panel, paint, kitchen remodel, full bath remodel, refinished floors, etc), and financing back out at 80% LTC. We are making about 16% CoC. The SFRs are the low headache way to hold land.

ETA: These are West Coast prices, within commuting distance of Seattle. If we were in the Midwest we might make different choices.

Post: ADVICE - New Construction Lot

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314

You need to make sure you know what you are getting. Is everything included? All the permits and fees? All the horizontal development? What will be your closing costs when you sell?