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All Forum Posts by: Shelby McKean

Shelby McKean has started 6 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Thoughts on Turnkeys?

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Nick Harrington:

Hey Shelby - 

You are correct, turnkey properties don't get the lime light like flips / brrrs get in general within the BP community. 

Whether to buy something turn-key or something that needs work comes down to your goals and what you are looking to accomplish. 

A turn-key property allows you to walk into something that is ready to go to be rented out with minimal repairs, or it potentially already has tenants in place. There are in general less headaches on the front end and it is typically easier to get stabilized. 

The downside though is your ability to recycle your money with a turn-key property is limited. Something turn-key is typically going to be sold at market price (unless you can find a deal off market as you mentioned). Therefore, your ability to re-use your money like you could in a BRRR or a flip is limited, and you are banking on the cash flow from that property or market appreciation over time to re-capture any money.

If you have a lot of capital already, a solid income coming in elsewhere from real estate, and want to minimize your headaches / downtime to get a property, than I would say this strategy fits. 

I also believe that jumping into a flip / brrr as a first deal is a good way to never do a real estate deal again. 

In your situation, it sounds like the primary focus for you is more a quality of life play (reducing your commute time), and the STR may allow you to break even cash flow wise?

A turn-key purchase is typically an easier and less risky strategy , but the benefits are less than buying a flip / brrr. 

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I think that your assessment is very helpful and it is true that I am trying to offset costs and cut my commute.

I have also had reservations about a flip/brrr because of the difficulty of finding a builder for my team. I may be a bit gun-shy because of the extensive renovations we have done to a primary residence that spanned three contractors and six years. I just got the railings on a deck that was built over a year ago so…I wonder about how over-subscribed the builders in my area are.

Your explanation about the possible reasons why someone might and might-not want to buy something already at its highest value is exactly what I was asking for and will help me to think about what my final goals are and will develop into.

Shelby

Post: Thoughts on Turnkeys?

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Joe Derobertis:

Lots of good info already mentioned here but just to add another hat in the mix I recently purchased 3 turnkey properties each from a different turnkey provider. 1 in Cleveland and 2 in Memphis. It’s been about 4 months post and so far I’d say it’s been a very good experience. As @Nick Harrington stated the main drawback as I see it is that you are buying at retail or very close to it. I continue to evaluate deals these providers send me and if something penciled I would definitely consider buying more. 

For me the reason for going turnkey was to limit my lack of experience and knowledge of the areas I am investing in and I looked at the premium I was paying as worth it to acquire the things I lacked. 

In the end I’ve learned a ton and it’s given me the confidence to pursue non turnkey as I continue to build relationships with people. 

I think the most important thing is taking action and limiting your risk as you start, knowing that part of starting is going to force you to learn some things you just can’t learn otherwise so try not to focus on hitting home runs right out of the gate. 


 Yes!  This is sort of what I was also thinking.  Now-someone above pointed out that there are two different terms…rent-ready and turnkey and I think what I meant was rent-ready.  For me it is partially a timing question as well.  There are some nice small things on the market that have already been re-habbed and it seems like I could pay that premium for things I lack at this moment and still move forward to build confidence in properties where I need to develop the team for adding value to my next properties.

Also, I think Memphis is a cool spot-hope that works out really well for you.

Post: Thoughts on Turnkeys?

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

Thanks for the reply-I didn't realize that those terms had different definitions and that is very helpful. I also appreciate you pointing out the turn around each week on two properties would be difficult. It's something to consider and think of in terms of management. The STR in my primary residence is actually an apartment that I don't live in and I have a cleaning staff for that house anyway. I am also not commuting to a job so while my son is in school during the day I would be cleaning and turning over the apartment for STR.

At any rate, it will partly depend on whether the STR regulations in that area would even allow for this arrangement in an apartment or condo, but I just cannot quite see, at least for this potential property, adding a flip or rehab project to the mix. Maybe, if I locate a small house, though.

Post: Thoughts on Turnkeys?

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Look, someone from Columbus is again telling someone to invest there. What a surprise.

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The first thing you want to do is repurpose the word turnkey into rent-ready. Turnkey is a system - rehabbed property marketed and sold by a company who bakes the property management into your future. You have limited appreciation and often the taxes go up later and shortfall the cash flow expectation.

Rent-ready for you would also mean live-ready, but by having two residences and two short-term options when you are not there, you are creating a lot of upkeep and maintenance on both that will be very hard to manage.


Post: Starting out with 2 primary residences

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Jason Wray:

Shelby,

You refinance the home that has the most equity so that you can get the Max cash out at a lower LTV for the lower rate. Rates are starting to drop fairly fast and for primary homes they are already down 1.25% from earlier this year. Which ever home you choose as the main home it will be a tax deduction so it should work out in the long run.

Another thing to consider is having two primary homes does not offer a great Schedule E option where you can have the bigger tax shelter.  Once you transition one of the homes into a full time rental you will reap that benefit by filing a schedule E at the end of the year.

There are a few loopholes to consider like calling one home a "Vacation/Second home" which allows you to pull out 80% LTV with a better rate. Versus a investment home pulling out 75% LTV and a higher rate. After the cash out refinance it can be transitioned into a rental property.

Biggest thing is to have a game plan and discuss it with a Banker to look at the mortgage options and go over numbers for best overall return. If you have any specific questions feel free to reach out I enjoy helping and talking REI!

Thank you for this information.  I need to go do a little more research now, but I had a feeling that we needed to consider better options for tax purposes.  
shelby

Post: Thoughts on Turnkeys?

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I think that your assessment is very helpful and it is true that I am trying to offset costs and cut my commute.

I have also had reservations about a flip/brrr because of the difficulty of finding a builder for my team.  I may be a bit gun-shy because of the extensive renovations we have done to a primary residence that spanned three contractors and six years.  I just got the railings on a deck that was built over a year ago so…I wonder about how over-subscribed the builders in my area are.

Your explanation about the possible reasons why someone might and might-not want to buy something already at its highest value is exactly what I was asking for and will help me to think about what my final goals are and will develop into.

Shelby

Post: New to investing, 2nd wind career (let’s not say older investors), life complexities

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

I am new to RE investing and I am learning right now before I make my first moves.  Many of the BP podcasts are from a pretty young perspective, both in terms of flexibility and maybe even priorities.  I would love to meet some new members, young or no, whose goals might include a solid cash flow and providing good value to renters who are exploited or poorly treated by unresponsive landlords or large corporate operations.  I want a good business that also solves some housing shortage issues.

Post: Starting out with 2 primary residences

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

My husband and I live in two different cities with 2 houses.  One has a low interest rate loan and the other does not.  If I am starting out as a real estate investor interested in being a rental landlord (still working out the main type of rental I want to work with), can I refinance the house with a higher rate and make it a rental to my husband as my first rental?  Also, what situation is the best thing for our taxes?  We file jointly, but I want the investing to be my business in my name.

Post: Thoughts on Turnkeys?

Shelby McKean
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Nashville, TN
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

I don’t hear much about turnkey properties on the BP podcasts.  Is there a strategy for buying something that someone else has already improved or is inexpensive (or off-market) and starting to do a short-term rental right away?    I realize that turnkey properties mean you can’t improve equity so a re-assessment would not add lending dollars, but is there a scenario where the numbers work?  Break-even cash flow?

I am thinking of using an apartment or condo to eliminate my commute four days per week and making it available on weekends for STR. My primary residence also has an apartment I am preparing as an STR.