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All Forum Posts by: Sam McPeek

Sam McPeek has started 5 posts and replied 69 times.

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

@Kyle Palmer I think that $200 per door is good, and I don't think I should expect much higher than that. I might not have worded that correctly...what I was saying was that it seems the cash flow numbers were good, but that the purchase price did not leave room for appreciation over the long haul. That's mostly a feeling, as I don't know how to measure that or what the average appreciation for a fourplex is in our area. Does that make sense?

I'll PM you. Maybe we can get together and talk.

Post: First time property analysis in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

I’m looking for some help in evaluating a deal that I looked at this last weekend in my home town of Richland, WA. After running the numbers, I don’t think this would be a good deal at the current price, but I want to run the numbers by you guys to make sure that my analysis is correct...and to also see if you all agree with the price that I believe would make it a good deal. I’m still learning and I think this would be the best way to learn and ensure that my property analysis muscles are tip top...

Property & Condition

The property is a 4-plex with (2)- 3/1’s and (2)- 2/1’s with covered parking for 4 cars. The overall square footage for the building is 4,300...but I did not get the footage on each of the units (still learning, right?). I would guess that the 2 bedrooms are 850 sq. ft. and the 3 bedrooms are 1050 sq. ft., with the remainder going to storage and shared laundry space. It was built in 1972, has central HVAC with separate heat pumps for each unit. Two of the heat pumps are updated and two of them are original (need to be replaced within 3 years). Each unit is metered separately for electric, but water is paid by the owner. Overall the property is in great condition with 2 of the units having been remodeled, while the other 2 have newish carpet. This is a “turn-key” building that would not need remodeling, and could be updated as vacancies come up.

Rental History

The property currently is fully occupied on month-to-month rents with no contracts, with the history for the past several years showing very limited vacancy rates (sub 4%). That being said, there are 2 brand new apartment complexes built within the last 2 years in Richland (one within a mile, the other is across town). Because of the increase in available units, our vacancy rates are currently sitting at 8% as of August 2014. I do believe that rate will go down or normalize with Kennewick and Pasco (the other 2 cities that make up our Tri-City area), which are currently sitting at 6% and 4% vacancy rates respectively. Our entire area was at 2% vacancy about 3 years ago. The property is within walking distance (1-2 miles) from the major engineering hub of our area where approx. 3,500 people work, and is also 2 blocks off the highway that another approx. 8K people take to jobs on the Hanford Nuclear Reservation. I do believe, given these factors I can figure on a vacancy rate of 5% or lower.

3/1 Rents for 700, which is at least 200 under market value.

2/1 Rents for 675, which is at least 100 under market value.

The Numbers (Annual)

All numbers are verified unless noted as being pro forma. Also, I did not figure in property management as this would be self-managed:

Tax Assessed Value is 285,000

Purchase Price is 300,000

33,000 –Gross Rent

1,200 –Coin Laundry Revenue

(2,702) –Utilities

(970) –Garbage

(3,456) –Taxes

(1,200) –Insurance (pro forma number from my ins. Agent)

(1,500) –Maintenance (pro forma)

(200) –Advertising (pro forma)

24,172 –NOI

13,800 –Debt Service (Pro Forma -20% down, with 4% interest)

10,372 –Cash Flow

8% -Cap Rate

17.3% -COC Return

The Results

While the numbers don’t look horrible...cash flow at $200 per door per month, I do not think this is a good deal. I will have to bring on an investing partner for any deal I do, and this purchase price is topped out. At this price, I don’t believe the building will appreciate enough to make it worth it for an investing partner. We can add value by raising the rents, but 4-plexes in this area are not marketed like commercial. I’ve also been told (but I don’t know for sure) that 4-plexes in this area do not appreciate as much as SFRs.

My thoughts are that to make this worth it for me and an investing partner, I would need the purchase price to be at 275,000. That would leave more room for appreciation. At that price the numbers would be:

24,172 –NOI

12,600 –Debt Service (Pro Forma -20% down, with 4% interest)

11,571 –Cash Flow

8.8% -Cap Rate

21% -COC Return

Value Added Improvements

If I purchased this property there are a couple of things that I would do in order to provide more value to both myself, my (future) partner and the tenants:

  • Transfer all tenants onto 12-month leases with rents that are at market value. I would need to work through how to accomplish this...maybe through a lease with escalating rents over 12 months or just biting the bullet and shocking the tenants.
  • Sub-meter the water and transfer that cost to the tenant. Not sure how much value this would add, as the Utilities number does not break down between water and electric that the owner is currently paying. Sub-metering would cost me about $1,500 upfront.
  • Outfit all units with low-flow shower heads and aerators to reduce water usage. These are provided free of charge by the City of Richland.

What do you guys think? Do you agree with my assessment? Have I missed anything in my numbers? I didn't include closing costs, because those would be paid by the seller. I think that would only affect the COC Return number in the assessment, right?

Post: Contractor offer financing - should I bother going for it?

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

What's the upside for the HVAC contractor?? I've never heard of a contractor doing that, as they would have to have the capital to offer that. Can he sell that note? Is it for a name brand unit? Is there a maintenance contract required that isn't included in the financing?

Post: Profit Sharing

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

It sounds like there is more to this story...If he is a property manager, then he absolutley has experience that he is bringing to the table. Is he bringing the buyer, managing the renos, etc.? Could you do this deal without him? I think you need to nail down exactly what each partner is going to bring to the table and be responsible for.

If nothing else, you could do one deal with him to see if you want to continue the partnership on a larger scale.

Post: Figuring Out Funding at 4-5 AM

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

Ever since I listened to that post (which was last week, as I'm late to the game), I have been thinking about this concept more and more. I am currently looking that the possibility of doing one small deal later in 2015 using these concepts. I think before, using OPM always seemed to be scummy and only done to take advantage of someone else...but I've heard enough examples of how it's done right with care for the investor in mind. I'm all for it if it's mutually beneficial to both parties.

Looking forward to sitting down with you and the rest of the Tri-Cities crew!

Post: Setting up without risking personal house

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

My wife and I have a duplex as our personal house. I am looking to start my portfolio in the next year, but I am unwilling to put my family's home at risk. I am interested in the best way to set up a REI company that keeps my personal home completely separate from anything else. Any ideas?

Post: 23 Years old and buying my first Duplex

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

Congratulations!! The best advice that I got but didn't listen to when we bought our duplex, was to visit A LOT of properties and take A LOT of time to make sure you are getting good deal. Also, don't buy anything that needs a bunch of work for your first property...it just adds too much stress.

I learned the hard way. We bought almost the first duplex we saw and spent a year and $80K on renovating it before moving in.  There was a ton of stress involved and we would've been better off to pay more for a place that was in habitable shape.

Post: New to Real Estate in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

Thanks for the reply. I thought I recognized your profile pic... I'm definetly interested in how you are going about building your portfolio, I'll hit you up sometime.

Post: New to Real Estate in Richland, WA

Sam McPeekPosted
  • Investor
  • Richland, WA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 29

Hey all- I am brand new to the world of Real Estate investing and I'm looking forward to learning and discovering ways to start out.

When my wife and I were looking for our first house, I convinced her that we needed to buy a duplex...and she agreed. We bought the ugliest one on the block, paid 10K too much and started in on a 1 year complete rebuild of the building. We currently live on one side of the duplex, and the other side has not been finished...BUT we are planning on getting it finished by May. We also added on a garage to our unit with a 530 sq. ft. room above. Both are unfinished, but we would like to turn that room into another unit down the road.