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All Forum Posts by: Alex W

Alex W has started 2 posts and replied 51 times.

Post: Sell your house to your llc then rent

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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What exactly is your goal? Is the tax write off what you're after? Why not just rent space to your LLC as an office? This way you have income coming in from rents paid by your LLC to you. You can then deduct the expenses (% of usage) through your LLC. Kitchen (break room), hallways (common areas), etc.

It would be different if the property was owned by your business and do a sales-leaseback to generate capital.

You need to consult with a CPA regarding this.

Post: NOUVEAU RICHE-Interesting Review

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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Originally posted by "**********":
Jim4sparks, or me James?

In my opinion the way this is spelled out is sketchy, loan wise.

Oops I meant Jim4sparks!

Post: NOUVEAU RICHE-Interesting Review

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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Originally posted by "**********":

Thanks :wink:

You just shot yourself in the foot here, Jim.

Post: how do you manage multiple properties?

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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Originally posted by "MikeOH":
I get most of my deals from talking to people. I'm not talking about door knocking, cold calling, or any of that other guru nonsense. I'm talking about talking to real people that you meet in everyday life. As an example, last week, I was waiting for my paint to be mixed at Walmart. Another lady was standing there waiting to be helped. She asked me some silly question about paint and I asked her what she was painting. She said it was a rental. We proceeded to have a lengthy conversation about rentals, tenants, etc. It was clear to me that she was disgruntled, but not yet ready to throw in the towel. I invited her to our next REIA meeting.

I can't tell you how many people I've talked to about rentals while standing in line at Lowes. In other words, I just talk about rentals. It's completely natural when you meet people to ask what they do and tell them what you do.

Of course, when you do find a great deal, you've got to be able to buy it. Once you're known as someone who will buy houses, you'd be amazed at the calls you receive.

I bought a house a couple of weeks ago for $20K. An almost identical house right across the street recently sold for $52,065. The seller went to church with my sister-in-law. She told my sister-in-law that she desperately wanted to get rid of this house she inherited. My sister-in-law suggested that she call me, which she did. Simple! I got this one at 38% of market value.

The one before that I got from talking to the neighbor of one of my apartment buildings. I got that for 13% of market value. At the same time, I bought two others for 50% of market value from an investor at my local REIA.

Mike

Mike is spot on! I too come across deals by interacting with people on a regular basis.

I was at a jewelry store the other day looking at watches and the sales lady asked me what I do for a living. I told her I was an RE investor. She immediately opened up about her home and that she is in pre-foreclosure. They were having a hard time paying for their mortgage and is looking for a way out. They have some equity in their property and I will see if we can make this a win-win for both of us.

I don't knock on doors either. I hate that. I just interact with people and let them know what I do. Once people see you are an honest person that can solve problems, deals come to you. It's the same thing with any business. Your reputation goes a long way.

Post: Cash Flow vs. Appreciation

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by "Licwidsand":
SR0c4

I don't disagree with paying dwon equity but can you find me an area that pays out a 100%+ return in 7-10 years with a small cash flow.

There are a few places but I would be crazy to disclose that! :D

Post: Cash Flow vs. Appreciation

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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Originally posted by "Licwidsand":
That being said, I will not buy out of state high cash flow properites with a tract record of low appreciation.

I disagree because even though appreciation is slow, you build equity by paying down the principal on your mortgage. This still builds wealth in the long term.

Post: Cash Flow vs. Appreciation

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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It's nice to see so many different points of view. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I would like to emphasize to all the newbies to focus on investing in cash flowing properties to build your base. Once you have a solid base or hit critical mass, you can then invest for appreciation to build up cash faster since you have money coming in to sustain those appreciation plays. This way you avoid shelling money out of your own pocket to hold on to non cash flowing properties. As mentioned above you can do a 1031 exchange and pay your next purchase outright or bank roll your gains into a bigger property. It's basically a free loan from the government.

Cash flow allows you to play the appreciation game...investng in appreciation still needs cash flow (any source) to keep you in the appreciation game.

Post: Cash Flow vs. Appreciation

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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Well I'm glad this topic advanced to a more educated discussion. Thanks to Mike, Vincent and Steve for chiming in.

I hope the newbies and "investors" out there learn from this.

Cash flow IS king!

Post: Cash Flow vs. Appreciation

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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Originally posted by "Vincent":
The one thing that I believe is missing in this thread is the fact that any and every property can cash flow despite what the price of real estate is and despite what the current rental rates are. I have seen Investors make this mistake time and time again because of the necessity and mental fixation on cash flow. How does this work? Simple, you put more money (cash) down. With enough cash down, the property will always cash flow. Does that make it a solid investment because it cash flows? Absolutely not! What isn't being accounted for is the opportunity cost on the money being invested to put a property in a cash flowing position. This requires a simple Internal Rate of Return calculation based on each investment opportunity. Example, I have a friend who put down $1.5 million in cash with a leveraged balance of another $2.2 million on a "cash flowing" property. True, with that amount down, it cash flowed $30k per month. The challenge came when necessary repairs drained his remaining liquidity and he was forced to survive on the $30k per month. He is now wishing that he didn't have his nest egg buried in this "cash flowing" opportunity and is looking to cash out. Anyone who has been in business for a day knows that illiquidity can kill you and a few mishaps can easily drain the $30k or kill it permanently.
While I certainly agree for the average and professional Investor that cash flow is king, it is the cost of the cash flow that must be calculated to ensure that the investment opportunity is truly an opportunity to profit and not an opportunity to lose everything.

Vincent,

Your friend is making 24% on his $1.5M. He's beating inflation. Add depreciation, appreciation, tax strategies, etc. into the mix and I'm not sure what he's complaining about.

He could have put less money down to have more in reserve. Since there's still room for the property to pay for itself.

If I understand your post correctly your friend's reserves are being eaten up by the cost of repairs, correct? If so then this has nothing to do with cash flow, but more to do with not buying right. Lack of due diligence perhaps?

In fact I would like to thank you for posting this example as this perfectly shows CASHFLOW IS KING. I'm sure a lot of newbies and experienced investors would be happy earning $30K a month in passive income. Your example also highlights that equity/appreciation does not pay the bills since that is exactly your friend's dilemma right now.

I'm not sure what the details are regarding the repairs as it is hard to imagine $30K a month in cash flow is still taking money away from your friend's pocket.

Cash(flow) IS KING!

Post: Cash Flow vs. Appreciation

Alex WPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 51
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Steve welcome to BP and thanks for your input!

Tim, very good points. I hope all the newbies will learn from this whole thread.

As the saying goes....CASH(flow) is KING! :D