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All Forum Posts by: Summer Chen

Summer Chen has started 6 posts and replied 36 times.

Quote from @Michael Smythe:

Make sure your local laws allow "boarding house" rentals.


 Does "boarding house" rental mean "room rental"? I noticed a few houses in this area offer airbnb.

Quote from @Richard F.:
Quote from @Summer Chen:

Thank you all for the insights. 

@Richard F. I'm very appreciative of the helpful details. If we rent room-by-room, should we not allow any pets? The risk of one renter's pet attacking another renter is always a possibility even if it is prescreened as a "good pet". An insurance agent mentioned that a landlord paid high price when this happened in his property. Also, how to deal it when an emotion support animal is requested when there is no pet policy? Is it illegal to turn down the application when ESA is requested? A landlord reported that a renter committed suicide and he should have been more alert when an ESA was requested. 

Thank you.


 It is difficult enough to get human housemates to get along and clean up after themselves. I would not add pets to the mix.

As I stated above, if you have a No Pet policy, you should ALSO establish an Assistance Animal Policy that applies to Service Animals, Emotional Support Animals, Comfort Animals or any other name for a Non Pet. If you are allowing pets, but being very restrictive as to type, size, etc. you should still develop an Assistance Animal Policy to maintain reasonable control over the situation. Of course with a full "pets" allowed property, you STILL want some rules in place for animals, along the lines of what I mentioned for the Assistance Animal Policy. There really is nothing there that is not simply respecting others on the property, and ensuring the health of the animal.

In most cases it is illegal to just deny an ESA request, but there are exceptions known as "Mrs. Murphy's exemption"...google it.

Thank you Richard. I'm sure you are a highly experienced property manager and appreciate the education regarding pet and Assistance Animal Policy. I will do more research on this as a learning process. 
Quote from @Zachary Deal:

Hi Summer,

While I'm not sure about the legality of denying an ESA I think doing your best to limit pets as much as possible when renting by the room is the best strategy. Pets certainly add more risk of renter to renter conflict, not to mention allergies, etc.


 Thank you Zachary. Your inputs help clear my mind. I think I may allow pets for whole-house rental and no pets for room-by-room rental. 

Post: MTR starter seeking advice

Summer ChenPosted
  • Homeowner
  • California
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Miguel Del Mazo:

LTR, Whole unit MTR, By the room MTR, STR

These are all great strategies for a house in San Diego, but what is the "best" strategy?  Short answer: the one that works for you.

Longer answer: Is what you want to do legal in your area? STRs are famously under attack by municipalities and HOAs. Your neighbors *will* turn you in if STRs are not legal in your area. When rehabbing for a rent by the room strategy, make sure you don't run afoul local zoning laws. For instance, adding a 2nd kitchen might be viewed as making an illegal duplex in a SFH.

Decide which headaches you want. LTRs are commonly viewed as less stressful, but if making less money is a stress, then you need to factor that in. Do you love juggle your own schedule? How would you feel about juggling your properties? If that is something that you enjoy, then you may be well rewarded with STRs. Do you de-escalate interpersonal conflict well? That is a necessary skill in rent-by-the-room.

It sounds like you are doing a great job of running the "what if" scenarios, but ultimately, you will have to decide which path to try first. Most mistakes that can be made in being a landlord are not fatal ones, so if something doesn't pan out the way you want, pivot.  Try another model.

To answer specific questions you posted: Noise monitors are available that can be mounted in a room. Set a reasonable decibel limit in your lease and enforce it.

By-the-room and "allows pets" strikes me as a bad recipe.  People who are traveling through for work are going to be leaving their pet alone for hours at a time, and that would concern me (and my insurer).

Emotional Support Animals are legally allowed to break the "no pets" policy. We've not had it come up yet in our practice, but we would abide by the law. One note, some court rulings in some circuits have limited the allowable animals to traditional dogs and cats, disallowing exotic ESA.  Hopefully, you will never have to allow an emotional support peacock. :)


I agree with Andrew that it is worth trying a whole house MTR strategy. It may earn less, but it allows for a great opportunity to learn (and thus to decide if by-the-room is preferred). Also, renting the whole house as an MTR to a insurance company may be the best of all worlds.

Thank you so much, Miguel. MTR fits me better for now since I would like to leave furniture in the house and also I can use it when I am in town.

btw, if a peacock makes the house more beautiful thus provides emotional support to everyone in the house, I may consider it. lol

Does any one know how to find a reliable MTR property manager? Thank you!

Post: MTR starter seeking advice

Summer ChenPosted
  • Homeowner
  • California
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Andrew Bosco:
Quote from @Summer Chen:
Quote from @Andrew Bosco:

Room by room is specific to each apartment. I personally don't feel it is worth the headache unless the building can support the space required. Whole housing is less headache, especially when starting out. Make sure you use door locks for room rentals for each room and have the space to support storage. 


Thank you Andrew. Whole-house rental may work better for LTR but probably gets much less booking for MTR.

5-10 people could live in the house with whole-house rental versus 3 professionals in the house with MTR. Does the latter require more management? There is certainly a lot for me to learn.


 5-10 people could if the space supports it. Give it a try and see if you like it. Some people dislike the multi personalities. You could probably rent 700-900 bucks per bedroom pending your area or the whole house for 3K+ pending your area (I'm using New England numbers). You just need to vet each tenant well to avoid major headaches. 


 Thank you so much Andrew! I will start with baby steps. 

Post: MTR starter seeking advice

Summer ChenPosted
  • Homeowner
  • California
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Andrew Bosco:

Room by room is specific to each apartment. I personally don't feel it is worth the headache unless the building can support the space required. Whole housing is less headache, especially when starting out. Make sure you use door locks for room rentals for each room and have the space to support storage. 


Thank you Andrew. Whole-house rental may work better for LTR but probably gets much less booking for MTR.

5-10 people could live in the house with whole-house rental versus 3 professionals in the house with MTR. Does the latter require more management? There is certainly a lot for me to learn.

Post: Insurance for midterm rentals - Insurers and Renter's Insurance?

Summer ChenPosted
  • Homeowner
  • California
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Bonnie Low:

I'm working on a research project and am hoping to crowdsource some recommendations about insurance coverage for your midterm rental properties. What are you experienced hosts doing? My questions are:

- Policy type: homeowners, commercial, other?

- Recommended Insurers

- Do you require your guests to carry renter's insurance?

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts/recommendations on this topic!


 I asked my insurance company. They said landlord insurance is required for any type of rental. Homeowner insurance will not cover any incidence during a rental period. However, once you switch from homeowner insurance to landlord insurance, you cannot switch back to homeowner insurance at the current market because many insurance companies in Cali are not taking any new clients for homeowner insurance. 

Post: MTR starter seeking advice

Summer ChenPosted
  • Homeowner
  • California
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Zachary Deal:

Hi Summer, I think having someone in the area as a local point of contact when serious conflicts arise is a very good idea. Regarding your concerns about noise, I think it's best to have clearly stated quite hours in your lease agreements. If you're worried about TV volume, I would specifically note that in the lease or cite as an example.


 Thank you Zachary. I'll take all into consideration. 

Post: Are all AirBnb renters this entitled!?

Summer ChenPosted
  • Homeowner
  • California
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Summer Chen:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Summer Chen:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Nicole Heasley Beitenman:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
It was on our to-do list for next summer. We felt a window AC unit in the bedroom was sufficient given the time of year and size of the house. But we can bump that purchase up. It's probably better to buy one now while the stores are trying to get rid of them.
Yes, absolutely! Then you advertise "Air conditioned house" .
Or.....have you looked at doing a couple of minisplits? I am going to put one in my garage, and Amazon has one for $600 that conditions 700 SF. You could put a smaller one in each bedroom and one like this in the LR area. Heat and cool. Cost maybe $2k, and easy to install. It sounds cool to advertise 'mini-splits'  ...just a thought...🤔
I got a quote from a local AC company. The quote for a 2-zone mini split is $12000+ after Costco rebate. Another company quoted $20000+. 
Yep, you're just asking to get ripped off. An HVAC Company will charge you those prices all day long. I was talking about this little 500 SF cottage. 3 units max.

One of these for the LR/Kitchen/Dining Room: https://www.amazon.com/pasapair-18000BTU-SEER-115V-Ductless/...
2 of these, 1 for each bedroom: 

https://www.amazon.com/SIMOE-208-230V-Conditioner-Efficient-...


$1500, you run a few feet of conduit to the compressors from the main and you're done. (2) 20A Circuits.


 Thank you so much. Is a handyman sufficient to install mini splits? 

No, it's illegal for someone unlicensed to do work over $500. You should buy the equipment and call an electrician to install it.

 Got it. Thank you so much.

Post: Are all AirBnb renters this entitled!?

Summer ChenPosted
  • Homeowner
  • California
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Summer Chen:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Nicole Heasley Beitenman:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
It was on our to-do list for next summer. We felt a window AC unit in the bedroom was sufficient given the time of year and size of the house. But we can bump that purchase up. It's probably better to buy one now while the stores are trying to get rid of them.
Yes, absolutely! Then you advertise "Air conditioned house" .
Or.....have you looked at doing a couple of minisplits? I am going to put one in my garage, and Amazon has one for $600 that conditions 700 SF. You could put a smaller one in each bedroom and one like this in the LR area. Heat and cool. Cost maybe $2k, and easy to install. It sounds cool to advertise 'mini-splits'  ...just a thought...🤔
I got a quote from a local AC company. The quote for a 2-zone mini split is $12000+ after Costco rebate. Another company quoted $20000+. 
Yep, you're just asking to get ripped off. An HVAC Company will charge you those prices all day long. I was talking about this little 500 SF cottage. 3 units max.

One of these for the LR/Kitchen/Dining Room: https://www.amazon.com/pasapair-18000BTU-SEER-115V-Ductless/...
2 of these, 1 for each bedroom: 

https://www.amazon.com/SIMOE-208-230V-Conditioner-Efficient-...


$1500, you run a few feet of conduit to the compressors from the main and you're done. (2) 20A Circuits.


 Thank you so much. Is a handyman sufficient to install mini splits?