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All Forum Posts by: Tal Eisenberg

Tal Eisenberg has started 10 posts and replied 30 times.

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1

Another concern I have and maybe this is getting ahead of myself but if we do win the auction how do I go about with the current tenants.

It is a 6 unit building - not all the apartments are occupied.

1) If the current landlord has security deposits from them, does he hand them over to me?

2) If the current tenants do not have security deposits, can I force them to give me a deposit before their lease is over?

3) Do I have to wait for their lease to be over to try to get rid of them? I just prefer to put my own tenants in there...

4) If there is a tenant in there that hasn't been paying rent, can I start eviction process ASAP?

5) If I can't get current leases from the owner can I get a copy from the current tenants?

Anything else I should I know HIGHLY appreciated...

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by Nathan Emmert:
From there you'll have to play a game with how much you want to pay in cash and how much you want to mortgage. At 7% interest and 30 years, that cash flow would get you a $560,000 mortgage (break even). If you want $100 a door (what many aim for as a minimum), your max mortgage would be $465,000.

Generally with a mortgage, you'll have to put 25% in. So if you get a mortgage for $560,000, you bought the place for $745,000 and put $185,000 down. At $465,000, you bought the place for $620,000 and put $155,000 down.

Of course, at both of those points, your Cash on Cash (annual cash flow divided by cash into the property) is terrible. At break even you're obviously at 0% making an equity/appreciation play. At $100 a door you're at $7,200 / $155,000 = 4.6%... most people are shooting for 15+%.

Any of that making sense?

Most of it makes sense...I think the only question I have here is how did you get to a $465k mortgage with the $100 a door rule?

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by Steve Babiak:

I don't believe that the county clerk is the right person to be telling you there are no liens. In the foreclosure auction business, you must know about all liens with certainty, and that means you have somebody being paid to do that task (even if it is you yourself doing that task - you pay yourself somehow out of the investment proceeds).

I have my title rep doing another search for me. Everywhere I have looked points to no Fed Tax Lien. We shall see if I'm right

Originally posted by Steve Babiak:
You need to learn lien priority for the area where this is. Basically, which liens are junior to which senior liens. Junior liens will be removed when a senior lien has completed a foreclosure.

This is definitely a first lien. I've triple confirmed through the broker, on my own & the county clerk.

Originally posted by Steve Babiak:
And if there should be an IRS lien, the IRS gets a 120 day redemption period.

I've been trying to find out if there is an IRS lien. My title guy just txted me there is none on there, but he also is under the impression the referee needs to notify of all liens prior to auction....?

Originally posted by Tal Eisenberg :
... There is a broker representing the note holder and he has told me that he believes that title can not change hands if there is an existing tax lien. Is this true? ...

This requires local knowledge of that area and the practices there. But I would imagine that title can change hands without taxes being paid in full; when those taxes go unpaid, the taxing authority then has the ability to take the property through some type of foreclosure process. In my area, when I buy at sheriff sale, I expect that there will be delinquent taxes I pay after the deed is recorded. That might also be the case where you are looking.

I've been reading a lot of everyone's post. Learning more and more!

Thanks everyone!

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by Nathan Emmert:
Just a few concerns... you gave a VERY broad range of rents, from $1,000 to $1,400... that's a 40% difference. You should be able to get it down to a +/- $50 range.

My range of rents is actually $1,250-$1,350. I did lower the range a little bit because it is a rent stabilized building and although those range of rents fall within the rent stabilization law, I wanted to be conservative with a lower number. My real expectation is within the $1,250-$1,350 range.

Originally posted by Nathan Emmert:
Second, you're expecting expenses to be $10,000 plus your taxes for $13,000 a year. At the low end of your projected Gross Income that's 18% expenses. The national long term average is 50% (assuming you use a property management company, 10% lower without). You haven't budgeted for vacancy, for cleaning/repair between tenants, for lawyers, evictions, an accountant for your taxes. You didn't budget for any upkeep of the building, no new hot water heaters or shingles, no lawn care or snow removal... etc etc etc. What utilities are you paying for the tenants? At a minimum you'll likely be covering water/sewer/trash which will run you about $200 - 300 a month. Are the units separately metered for electric and/or gas?

They way I have broken down the expenses is:
$3200 for taxes
$3000 for insurance
$3000 for heat and hot water
$3000 for incidentals/upkeep/etc.

We are not using a management company. Trash is taken care of by the city. The units are individually metered.

Originally posted by Nathan Emmert:
So lets use 50% as a guideline for your expenses and $72,000 Gross Operating Income. You're NOI would be $36,000 before serving any debt, $3,000 a month.

Now you have to pay a mortgage (are you lending or using cash?). Again, your range for repairs is HUGE, that's anywhere from $335 to $400k for the total investment, a 20% range. I don't know how much of your own money you'll put in but lets assume you get a mortgage of $350k and because it's commercial you'll pay 7% for 30 years (greater than 4 units won't be conventional). Your payment is $2,329 a month. Given a NOI of $3,000 a month, you're pulling in an expected $671 a month. You meet the $100 a door rule.

Now, look at your cash on cash return. You're going to get $8,052 yearly cash return (not including equity in the mortgage). If you're looking for a 15% CoC return (about the lowest most people look), you can't be out of pocket more than $53,680. That would be a total investment of just over $400k given the mortgage amount above. The money you put into the building would have had to increase the value from your purchase price of $300 or so thousand to just under $470k to justify a $350k mortgage (75% LTV, not sure you can get that high on commercial).

So let's say I go with a more realistic rent of $1250 a month leaving me with $15,252 yearly cash return. After that you lost me a little bit. We will probably be taking a loan out, but there's a chance we may paying all cash too. It depends on a second partner that may be involved.

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1

Isom - I happened upon this auction from a friend. But the local newspapers always have notices of auction in them. Plus I will probably be subscribing to property shark in the near future.

Jake - I will be reading this later today. I'm sure I will have more questions too. I thought the 3 day turn around sounded off, considering I was able to do the search myself. Im waiting to hear back from another Rep, see what she says.

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1

Is flippingriverside your blog? I've been in touch with the Title Rep from my class and he said it would take him 3-4 days to do comprehensive search. He point me to ACRIS, which I mentioned before, and showed me where to search for Federal Tax Liens, none of which I found. I suspect I will have him and looking to find another Rep in the meantime.

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1

Thanks Jake. The auction has been postponed once already. It was first scheduled in February of this year. If it gets postponed there should be other properties going up for auction and will be a good experience for us nonetheless. I don't have a relationship with a title company but do have someone I took a class with who works for First American Title Insurance Company. Maybe I will ask him....

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1

Also, would like to know what you guys think should be the high bid on the place. It is a 6 unit building - going rents in the neighborhood are $1,000-$1,400. That brings gross income to $72,000 - $100,800. Annual taxes are $3,200. We estimate yearly expenses to be about another $10,000. Improvements to the building could be anywhere from $35,000-$100,000.

The amount owed on the mortgage is ~$260,000 + fees & interest. My guess is the bidding will start around $300,000.

With a conservative net cash flow of $59,000 and conservative improvement expenditure of $100,000 I think our cap should be at $450,000. That brings total cost to $550,000 bringing a net ROI of 10.7% annually....thoughts?

Post: Going to bid at Foreclosure Auction Friday in NYC

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1

Hi All,

First post (besides introduction) for me. My father and I will be going to our first auction as bidders this Friday (in Queens, NY). We have scouted the property numerous times, actually been inside the building (not any of the apartments) and have decided to bid on the property. Property taxes are all up to date. I have called the county clerk and they told me there are no liens on the property except for the foreclosure.

I know that at a foreclosure auction everything is expunged except for taxes. There is a broker representing the note holder and he has told me that he believes that title can not change hands if there is an existing tax lien. Is this true?

I've looked on ACRIS (The Automated City Register Information System) and see no record of any open tax liens on the property (county, state or federal). Is there any other place I should look? I have until Friday morning.

I know this is last minute to post for this kind of thing, but I've only recently found this amazing website. I will be coming on here more and more for future investments, questions, etc.

Thanks in advance

Tal

Post: Tal from Queens, NY

Tal EisenbergPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Forest Hills, NY
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 1

Hi All,

My name is Tal Eisenberg. I am a Real Estate Broker in NYS. For the last 7 years I've been mainly renting apartments to people and have recently decided to move on to investing. I am also in the process of opening up a property management company with a partner. My goal is to purchase 1-2 buildings a year for the next few years, specifically distressed (REO, short sale and foreclosure auction). Hope to discuss with and learn from a lot of you hear.

Best,

Tal

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