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All Forum Posts by: Theresa Holl

Theresa Holl has started 21 posts and replied 257 times.

Post: AirDNA Data analytics for STR investors

Theresa HollPosted
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  • Minneapolis
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So I had my interview with Tom from AirDNA and their revenue projections do include cleaning fees but do not include OTA fees. It's impossible to parse that out consistently because so many STR hosts roll the cleaning fees into the nightly rate.

As far as minimum data needed to consider the projections viable, he said 30 listings, assuming they are somewhat similar and in a submarket together.  Still seems thin to me, but use your judgment. :)  

Post: AirDNA Data analytics for STR investors

Theresa HollPosted
  • Investor
  • Minneapolis
  • Posts 265
  • Votes 160
Quote from @Michael Baum:

I don't really have any questions @Theresa Holl for the AirDNA people. I looked at them very early on and figured it would mature, but it hasn't as much as I would have thought.

To be fair, I am not sure how much you can do with data in data out. I have found AirDNA to be less accurate in areas where there aren't as many STRs to get the data from.

Our lake house for example, AirDNA had us 4x over what the rate should have been. Occupancy was way off as well.

I found that they pulled in more data points outside the parameters to "fix" the data. It is pretty common but there isn't much that can be done really.


 Interesting points Michael.  The size of the data sample required for accuracy is definitely key.  As far as it predicting high on revenue, that's obviously the biggest risk and I'd be concerned about that as well when getting into a new market as a short term rental investor.  I'll make sure to bring this up with him.  I've also had some fun with a business partner in Nashville at the conference, showing the AirDNA booth how much a certain listing is making and they said it was impossible.  My partner had basically broken the algorithm. LOL.  He goes all out for guest experience though, well above the average host with car service, butlers, constantly upgrading amenities.

For me it keeps coming back to a simple fact:  to beat the average, don't be average. 

Post: Pricing in Diverse Market

Theresa HollPosted
  • Investor
  • Minneapolis
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Hey - I have a friend who might have some insights into this.  She has a track record of maxing out ADR without sacrificing occupancy. Let me know if you'd like a connection. 

Post: New to STR market in Massachusetts

Theresa HollPosted
  • Investor
  • Minneapolis
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Major metros pose certain challenges, as everyone has heard. What AirDNA is missing is creativity. You can't really predict for a creative business mind and how they might craft a guest experience that stands out in their market. Fun example: my business partner had an STR in Sedona with an oddly long laundry room. To most people, that would mean nothing, but she has strong marketing and design background. So she took that extra space, added a wall and a hidden door and poof! She's got a secret cinema room. She plants clues around the house about how to find it, guests absolutely love it and then she is booked out 2 years solid.

There's no Airbnb calc tool that really accounts for creativity and its financial value. Most hosts just lower their prices when things get rough but guests just want am interesting experience. 

Post: AirDNA Data analytics for STR investors

Theresa HollPosted
  • Investor
  • Minneapolis
  • Posts 265
  • Votes 160
Quote from @Jon Martin:

I subscribe for my market. More so as a sanity check to see how I stack up against my competition and as a data point in underwriting. 

One thing I liked before the redesign was that they gave numbers based on the average, upper 25% and top 10%. Would be curious to know why they longer display it that way, because I did find it helpful to see where I fit in the distribution. 

Thanks Jon. Good question. 

Post: AirDNA Data analytics for STR investors

Theresa HollPosted
  • Investor
  • Minneapolis
  • Posts 265
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Hey BP, I'm interviewing AirDNA for a bit of content this Friday and was wondering what newer STR investors want to know about their solution and data analytics in general? Anyone using AirDNA for market intelligence but not sure how to get more out of it? FYI - I'm not an affiliate partner. Just doing some education for myself and others on a popular resource. Hit me with any burning questions. :)

Post: Best markets/locations for golf visitors?

Theresa HollPosted
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  • Minneapolis
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A friend of mine has had great STR results in greater Phoenix, even where it's crowded. Most people just end up copying each other and that's when the "saturation" starts driving a race to the bottom on price. The luxury and unique experiences are still getting booked. Not all of it's expensive either. You can add services and upsells the clients foot the bill for, like spa/massage/private chef rather than pouring more capital into the property.

Post: About to buy first STR property and need help!

Theresa HollPosted
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  • Minneapolis
  • Posts 265
  • Votes 160

Brokers are great.  I can introduce you to my friend and get you more options easily.  Shoot me a note. :)

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They know their stuff.