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All Forum Posts by: Timothy Busse

Timothy Busse has started 2 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Zombie-slow-flip-duplex under contract . . . now what?

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Happy New Year! An update on the Quinnell Zombie.

We are about six weeks out from the closing date. During the last few weeks we've hit several road blocks, also known as learning opportunities, unique to securing a conventional mortgage. Below I cover two deal killers that don’t often get much attention: appraisals and insurance.

First, let’s set the stage to illustrate why the appraisal deserves some thought. As part of our purchase agreement, the seller requested that we provide a Written Statement several weeks ahead of closing. (For those in states that don’t commonly use Written Statements, it is essentially “seller’s contingency” in the form of a formal commitment by the lender to follow through on the mortgage. After a buyer submits a Written Statement, they stand to lose the earnest money if the deal fails for lack of financing. Additionally, if the buyer cannot get a Written Statement by the agreed upon date, the seller may cancel the purchase agreement.)

So, well ahead of the Written Statement date, we had locked in our interest rate just south of 4% and submitted all pertinent documents to the lender. The lender then scheduled an appraisal. But the Appraiser raised a red flag: She refused to appraise the Quinnell Zombie because it is not recognized as a duplex by the city, i.e., it is not permitted for use as a multifamily.

To remedy this permitting, the Appraiser requested either (1) a kitchen in one of the units of the up-down duplex and all doors separating the units be removed or (2) the seller get a conditional use permit from the city allowing use as a duplex.

As the buyer, we want the benefit of our bargain, i.e., a duplex to house hack. After all, this is an attractive feature of the Quinnell Zombie. While the seller advocated for the easy fix of removing the kitchen and doors, we insisted that they obtain the conditional use permit. Also, keep in mind that the current tenants are still living there, so removing the kitchen would have necessarily displaced one of the tenants.

With this decision, however, we turned over control of the deal to the seller. Remember that the seller can cancel the purchase agreement if we don’t get the Written Statement in on time . . . which turns on the appraisal . . . which cannot be completed until the seller gets the conditional use permit.  See what happened there?  In summary, the seller could simply delay getting the permit and cancel the purchase agreement after the Written Statement date passed.

In this way, the appraisal can be a critical aspect of a deal. So, even those of you finding great deals where the appraisal will come in well above the agreed purchase price, you may benefit from asking yourself what could go awry with your appraisal.

We asked (in writing) to extend the Written Statement date. And the day before the Written Statement was due, the seller extended the Written Statement date. We were lucky that the seller is still committed to keeping the deal alive.

Second, with respect to insurance, a deal may turn on your ability to secure a policy.  That's because most lenders will require homeowner's insurance to protect their interest in the property. In our case, the Quinnell Zombie is old. It is old enough to have knob and tube wiring and Zinsco electrical panels (think Federal Pacific Electric or Pushmatic panels). But I guess not old enough for a full electrical retrofit . . . until now.

While knob and tube or an obsolete electrical panel may not be inherently dangerous if properly maintained, there are several concerns that insurance companies don’t like. In fact, some insurance companies will not insure homes with knob and tube or certain electrical panels.

I our case, after the inspection, we first asked for the seller to replace the electrical panels, knowing this may be an issue. But they refused. So step two was to see if we could actually still get an insurance policy. It turned out we could, but only if we get an electrician in to perform and inspection and provide a statement regarding the condition of the electrical system. According to our insurance agent, all we need is a statement from a licensed electrician that the current electrical system is safe and functional.

We were lucky to have a seasoned insurance agent on our side that found such as flexible policy. But this illustrates that insurance, namely the inability to obtain a policy, can be a deal killer.

While we haven’t gotten an electrician in yet (we are waiting to make sure the seller gets the conditional use permit before spending any more money) this seems like a low bar.  And yes, we are planning to replace the electrical panels as well as any knob and tube wiring.

Here is to keeping the ball rolling.

Post: Zombie-slow-flip-duplex under contract . . . now what?

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

My due diligence period is coming to an end.  During the inspection with HomeSight Inspections (who I would highly recommend), we found old Zinsco breaker boxes and some active know and tube.   Working though my insurance broker, we are trying to find a carrier that will insure the property at a standard rate if we promise to replace the old (fire prone) Zinsco breaker boxes within 30 days.  

Tip of the hat to Mindy and Scott for encouraging this move to reduce housing expenses and start down a new path toward (hopefully) financial freedom.

Post: Zombie-slow-flip-duplex under contract . . . now what?

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

The price flux was due to a bad septic system.   Seller went back to market with price adjusted to pay $23k for quoted septic system replacement.  So, septic plus closing costs ($29,500 total) make sense at $159,000 offer price. 

Current renters are paying $750.  So reasonably solid, though hoping to add more value (and increase rents) after a slow rehab cash flowed by income (easy fix when dropping my mortgage payment over $1,600 by moving into this place and selling my primary that I bought off emotion rather than logic).

Thanks for the discussion Alex G. and Carson Wilcox !

Post: Zombie-slow-flip-duplex under contract . . . now what?

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Good tip @Will Fraser!

Negotiated as part of the offer to have the current tenants out a few days prior to closing (pushed out well past the Holidays because one body wants to be "that guy").

Hoping to turn around one unit quick to get rented and then live in the second unit.

Post: Zombie-slow-flip-duplex under contract . . . now what?

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Due diligence during inspection period--what are we missing?

We are under contract with our first duplex, that is currently tenant occupied but rotting away, which we intend to slow flip. 
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/402-Quinnell-Ave-N_Lakeland_MN_55043_M86377-3096

This property (up-down duplex, each unit a two bed one bath) is in rough shape, definitely a zombie in its neighborhood. Our preliminary estimate for rehab was $60,000, making a purchase price of $152,500 a reasonable deal (note that we are planning to use as our primary and rent or Airbnb the other unit, estimating an average rental income of $1000/month).

The inspector is scheduled, we have J Scott's spreadsheet and book on Estimating Rehab Costs in hand, and our realtor is pulling comps to provide an accurate after repair value (ARV).

Our inspector is a former general contractor that is helping in an advisory capacity with respect to estimating rehab costs.  We plan to run our own numbers to get as accurate as possible by the end of the inspection period.

We will use our refined rehab estimate and ARV to better determine if the number make sense for a slow-flip, i.e., break even (or come close to it) over a two year period. After all, its our first deal. We are in it for the education, not a profit.

Are we missing anything big that we should be doing during the inspection period?

Thanks so much BP Community for your insight!

Tim

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

@Jaysen Medhurst

Good point about trash. I haven't considered what others are doing in this area.

5.24 for B Class, 6.02 for C Class and 6.40. Perhaps valuation based on cap rate is a better metric for quick analysis.

Looks like someone has already tied up these properties.

Appreciate the input!

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Two four-plexes just outside St. Paul, Minnesota.  

Both listed at the same price (mirror images of each other with a common drive/parking area).  

Owner has a master lease covering 7 of 8 units. 

6 units are 2 bed, 1 bath, renting at $1200/mo. 

2 units are 1 bed, 1 bath, renting at $900/mo.  

Original asking was $570k each, dropped to $500k each.  

Cash flow looks good at about $200/door, but cash on cash RIO is single digits unless the purchase price were below $400k each.  

Also, opportunity to shift some utilities to tenants (trash, water, gas).

Would you pull the trigger?

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Timothy Busse
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  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

View report

*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Post: Looking to Network with Local Investors in Mankato, MN.

Timothy Busse
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  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Hi Matt,

I'm looking into the Mankato, Minnesota area (also St. Paul and the eastern suburbs to Hudson, Wisconsin).  I have family in Mankato as well.  It would be great to connect with folks that way to see if we can make some deals work.

Cheers,

Tim

Post: Closing Soon on First Duplex, How to Keep Going with No Money?

Timothy Busse
Posted
  • St. Paul, MN
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Congrats on your first deal, Kaila!  

Letting the dust settle to take accounting of the new found cash flow would be a good first step.  This may allow you to project how long you'd need to save for the next one (and build a reserve, heaven forbid the duplex furnace goes out in January).   

I've gather support from friends and family in MN that are excited to explore equity partnerships in REI. Also, I have a long list of contractors in various trades in the area. I used my contractor contacts to renovate a portion of my parents home and tackle some bigger projects at my own home, with great success.

Let me know if you'd like to connect and explore options.