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All Forum Posts by: Tom Amon

Tom Amon has started 3 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Common area electricity on multi-tenant properties.

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Quote from @Wesley W.:

What I do for common areas & security lights is I move that circuit onto one of the tenants' electric panels.  With our utility provider, it is allowed as long as there an executed contract between lessor and lessee (I use an addendum) and what the utilities are being used for is disclosed.

It can get a little tricky if its extensive use, espeically if there are receptacles that are accessible to other tenants, so in that case I would use a house meter.

Here's an example of an addendum:

Both parties to this agreement acknowledge and understand that the heat and electric service for the building’s basement as well as two exterior security lights are tied to the aforementioned rental unit. The basement is directly under this rental unit, and is not accessible or used by tenants nor is it a common area of the building. The only use of basement electricity would be occasional use by landlord for maintenance and/or repairs. The monthly impact on the tenant’s electric utility bill is expected to be de minimis.

A $10.00 credit in monthly base rent will be established to offset this use of electricity.

The basement heating is served by the rental unit’s high-efficiency gas-fired furnace, and aims to keep the basement crawlspace above freezing during periods of extreme cold in the winter months (typically December, January, and February) to avoid freezing plumbing pipes. The crawlspace will receive small amounts of warm air whenever the rental unit’s living room thermostat calls for heat, which is exclusively controlled by the tenant.

In addition to the aforementioned monthly credit for the electricity use, during the months of January, February and March, a $50.00 reduction in monthly base rent will be established to accommodate for the use of gas to heat the basement during the winter. This additional credit is issued if the utilities were in the tenant’s name on the preceding month. (i.e. January’s credit is for December’s usage, etc.)

The intent of this agreement is to provide transparency for the tenant as to the utilities assigned to the rental unit. Please note that the reduction in rent exceeds the expected impact of the shared utilities on the tenant’s utility bill.

If you have a basement common area as you describe, you could install a timer on the light switch, and enclose/lock receptacles that would be for your use for repair or maintenance.  You could hardwire in washer/dryer.  Key is to avoid receptacles that could be used by other tenants, which creates a shared metering situation, and if a tenant complains, it's a big headache with the provider as they will launch an investigation and could require you to install a house meter as well as reimburse all of the tenant's utility bills since move-in.  I have seen that situation occur.

Holy smokes. First of all, that is an extremely well thought out agreement and secondly it illustrates how sticky, common area electric usage can be with tenants. Who Wan to cause issues no matter how fair you try to be. I definitely want to go into this with eyes wide open.  Your response help me open them a little wider.  

Thank you for taking the time. 

Post: Common area electricity on multi-tenant properties.

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Quote from @David Krulac:

@Nathan Gesner in Pennsylvania and I suspect in other tenant friendly states, what you propose is illegal.  Here there have been cases where they made the Landlord pay the past electric bills going back many years and costing thousands of dollars.


He's in Ohio, so there's no need to bring up what other states do.


Yeah, is there anybody, or a landlord, in Ohio?

Post: Common area electricity on multi-tenant properties.

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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Tom Amon:

Is that something that you handle with language in the lease? If so, do you have examples?

You need to calculate a fair amount and reduce the rent on both tenants to cover the cost.

Look at a utility bill and you'll see how minimal this impact is. Most of the utility bill costs are base fees. Since the common area doesn't have a meter, you don't have to pay base fees. So you only need to reimburse tenants for actual use.

Look at the actual use for both tenants. Let's say they both use $60 in electricity for a total of $120. The common area probably comprises less than 20% of their total. That's $24 per month or $12 per tenant. It's not even worth talking about.

If you want to get into the weeds, calculate how much energy each item uses (dryer, washer, light bulb, security camera, etc.). Add up the kWh per item, then deduct that from their bills.

It's a complete waste of time. Your common area uses a small percentage. Ensure the common area is equally split between the tenants, put it in writing that their rent includes that cost, and call it a day.


Post: Common area electricity on multi-tenant properties.

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Hi everybody, I'm just closing on my first duplex in Zip Code 44107. I am wondering how people handle common area electricity, for example, in the basement, which has common areas like the laundry room and dryers, as well as the hallway entrances. There's also a security light outside on the garage. There's no way I'm installing a third electric meter; currently, the units are split between two electric meters. Is this just something that's included in the lease? Has anybody had any problems with that? \ nI ought to wI'd p into the accumulated experience of this group.

Post: Closed on my first deal!

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We just got our first accepted contract today—a duplex in 44107. I PM'd you. Maybe we can bounce ideas off each other. But congratulations - best of luck.

Post: Use of AI To Market Business in Real Estate

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Hey y'all, what do you think about using AI in the application intake process? For example, making a simple website with AI where applicants can submit applications and fill out information with referrals, etc.

Post: I need Exit Strategies help

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Hi Morgan: If it were me, I'd cut my losses, sell the place, pay the roughly ten‑grand in taxes, and use what's left to wipe out the HELOC and cards. A clean balance sheet and the lessons you've learned from this first short‑term rental will put you in a far better position to spot and act on a truly cash‑flowing deal. Trying to shoehorn a 1031 exchange into the mix sounds tempting, but it locks up every dollar of equity, keeps the consumer debt on your shoulders, and forces you to find a new property on a tight clock—hardly ideal when you're already stretched.

As for the “live there two years and skip the tax” idea, forget it; that break only applies to primary residences, and even then you’d still owe back the small amount of depreciation you’ve taken. Moving in just to save a few thousand would cost you two years of opportunity. Better to pull the plug, take the tax hit now, and roll forward with clearer criteria and more breathing room.

Post: My Master Plan....Good, bad or Ugly.

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Hello all.

I am looking to put down 50% on my first rental, not 25%. My thought is that this will achieve two things for the foundation of my master plan: to buy more properties. First, it will make it easier to obtain the next loan by showing property 1 with 50% equity plus $1,000 net income after ALL expenses. Secondly, it will generate revenue to cover the costs of my next few homes with 25% down. My current home is paid off, so I have HELOC and refinancing options available. Additionally, I have savings as I should, since I'm 62 and not one of the young ones on the forum with decades to build equity.

My ideas seem sound to me, but is it more of a waste not to buy two homes with minimal revenue, betting on appreciation? Or other better strategies with my senerio?

Post: Can you give a business like name to a non-LLC/business?

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What what limits are you getting on your umbrella? 1MM 2MM etc. 

Post: Lender Points too high?

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Hi Josiah! Is there a reason you're taking your investment property to a conventional loan? Wouldn't you prefer to put your investments in an LLC for further protection?

Aside from the protection, does that change any part of the cost of the loan? Are you saying that it would be a non-conventional loan by putting it through an LLC? If you could help me understand, I am in the process of figuring out the best way to structure all of this.

We have excellent credit and we have the cash. We are trying to understand the best way to structure the purchase of an investment property, get the lowest interest rate, and the lowest cost of the loan, due to the fact that we would put 25% down. We have close to 800 credit scores.