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All Forum Posts by: Tara Piantanida-Kelly

Tara Piantanida-Kelly has started 25 posts and replied 103 times.

Post: How We Bought a Duplex With No $ and Got $10k at Closing

Tara Piantanida-KellyPosted
  • Investor
  • Caledonia, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 41

My husband and I are “buy and holders”, and we’ve been slowly adding to our rental property portfolio for the past few years. The more we learn, the more creative we get.

Our first purchase together, a duplex for just under $75k, was super conventional: we purchased in our name (not our LLC), we paid retail, we put 30% down and got a 30-year conventional residential mortgage. We've learned a lot since then, but I would STILL make the same purchase today. It had a 20+% CoC return, and cash-flows like a sonofagun! Initially, our plan was to save the cash flow until we had enough to put 30% down on our next purchase, but we learned more and went in a few different directions.

Our next purchase, a SFH, was a foreclosure we purchased on Auction.com using just a bit of our own capital with private money covering the remainder. We still purchased in our name, but we got instant equity by buying a $75k house for $50k. We found a portfolio lender who didn't require the 6-month seasoning, so we put a conventional mortgage on the place right away and repaid the private money and ourselves.

Our next purchase, a SFH, we purchased in our LLC's name and paid $10k cash for it at a county tax auction.

We also each had former primary residences that we’d turned into rental properties.

When we found this duplex, we were planning to go the conventional route again - put 30% down, get a conventional mortgage for the remainder. Then I had another idea. We had three properties with a good amount of equity in them. Why not see if we could find a local lender willing to do a blanket mortgage on three existing properties plus this new one? We also wanted all of the properties and the blanket mortgage to be in our LLC's name.

One of our local portfolio lenders said they could do this, so we began the process. I make this sound effortless, but it most certainly wasn't! This was something pretty out of the ordinary for the attorneys (the bank's and ours), and it took more than five months from accepted offer to closing. The three existing properties were in three different counties, each had a mortgage with a different lender, and they were all in my husband's name. We had to have surveys and abstracts for all four properties. We had to pay a mortgage tax on the new blanket mortgage in the county with the highest rate, and then prove to the other two counties that the mortgage tax had indeed been paid. My husband had to do three quit-claim deeds moving the existing properties into our LLC, and we had to record docs in three different counties. Our (very seasoned) real estate attorney said that he had just closed a $12million dollar deal that wasn't NEARLY as complicated as this one, and he brought one of his new junior associates to the closing as a learning opportunity.

When all is said and done:

  • We will have four properties in our LLC,
  • We will have a new cash-flowing rental property,
  • The three mortgages on the existing properties in my husband’s name will be paid off,
  • My husband will be able to borrow more mortgages in his name,
  • We will have about $2300/month in cash flow from the four properties (rents minus blanket mortgage P&I + taxes + insurance),
  • We will have about $10k in our pocket after all closing costs and expenses are paid.

Then on to the next deal!  

Hi @Ramon Fyffe. The duplex we bought is in a rural area between Buffalo and Rochester.  

I live between Rochester and Buffalo, NY.  You can buy a property in the "hood" for less than $20,000 because the numbers look good, but I think it will cost you in the end (headaches, vacancies, damage, replacing copper piping between every tenant...)  No matter the numbers, I don't buy these properties.  

You can buy a good turnkey SFH for $60,000 - $70,000 which will bring a good return.

You can buy a small multi rehab for $35,000, put $10,000-15,000 into it to bring it up to $75,000 and either sell it turnkey or keep it and cash flow.  

We just bought a turnkey duplex for less than $75,000 that rents for $1590 per month.  

Lots of opportunities here if you know where to look.  

Post: Off Market SFR Income Properties - Rochester, NY

Tara Piantanida-KellyPosted
  • Investor
  • Caledonia, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 41

Hi @Jennifer Roth.  I may be interested in the Mapledale property.  I'll plan on attending the open house if the weather isn't too bad.  

Post: Rochester NY Meetup this Wednesday night

Tara Piantanida-KellyPosted
  • Investor
  • Caledonia, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 41

I'm in!  See you there!

Post: Buying multi-family rental properties in Rochester, NY

Tara Piantanida-KellyPosted
  • Investor
  • Caledonia, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 41

I know it's not gospel, but Trulia has this house listed as a "high crime" area.  Just a thought.  And Rentometer.com has average and median 1-bedroom rents in this area at about $650.  (I'm assuming that 8 units and 9 bedrooms equals 7 1-bedroom units and 1 2-bedroom.)  Still, not a bad deal if you have $80,000+ to get into it.  

Welcome, Jesse!  I'm in Rochester, too!  

Post: What ROI for Turnkeys?

Tara Piantanida-KellyPosted
  • Investor
  • Caledonia, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 41

Thanks, @Ali Boone , @Jay Hinrichs and @Lisa Arlt Escoto .  

Jay, I like your thoughts about the long-term returns. It's easy to say "I'm getting a 17% CoC return (this month, while it's fully rented and there are no issues)", but it's prudent to analyze our actual returns over the long haul, factoring in actual vacancies and other expenses. Good point!

Ali, that's exactly what I was looking for!  I knew I could count on you!

Lisa, do you experience greater vacancies and/or damage with your section 8 rentals?  (I ask because I have with some of my section 8 rentals.  When it's good, it's GREAT - but when it's bad, it's REALLY REALLY BAD!  :) )    

Post: What ROI for Turnkeys?

Tara Piantanida-KellyPosted
  • Investor
  • Caledonia, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 41

Thanks, @Paul Wurster and @Engelo Rumora !

Post: What ROI for Turnkeys?

Tara Piantanida-KellyPosted
  • Investor
  • Caledonia, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 41

Hi All,

For those of you who have purchased turnkey rentals, what kinds of ROI and/or CoC returns are you looking for?

Thanks!

Cheers~

Tara Piantanida-Kelly