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All Forum Posts by: Trace Adams

Trace Adams has started 9 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: MTR strategy in Denver area

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25

Hi all! I am about to close on my first home which is west of LIttleton, CO (off Bowles & Wadsworth specifically for those familiar with the area). The house has 2 beds 2 bath upstairs where me and my girlfriend will live, and a walkout finished basement with 2 beds 1 bath downstairs. We plan to rent out the basement on a medium-term basis - we are going to install a full kitchen down there, put a lockable door between upstairs and downstairs, fence off a private section of the yard, and there is already laundry down there, so it will essentially be an up-down duplex with a separate walkout basement entrance. Only negative is HVAC isn't split so renters will be subject to the temp we have it set at upstairs. Curious everyone's thoughts on 1) whether I should rent this out as an entire unit or on a room-by-room basis, and 2) what seems like a fair starting rent to list it at? Thanks!

Post: Littleton basement rental house hack

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25

Hi all,

I am currently under contract on a 4 bed 3 bath SFH in the Littleton area (Bowles and Wadsworth to be exact). There are 2 beds/2 baths/1 living room upstairs, and 2 beds/2 bath/1 living room down stairs in the fully finished basement with a separate walkout entrance. I plan to rent out the basement but have a couple of questions as this is my first house/house hack:

-Littleton rental law considerations (this might fall under JeffCo rather than city of Littleton, can't really tell)

-Thoughts on best lease strategy for that area (STR/MTR/LTR)? Thinking STR may be good given proximity to Red Rocks, although not sure of STR laws per above?

-Thinking about the long term, if I were to move out could I turn it into a duplex and rent out upstairs and basement separately? FYI, the house is in a PD (planned development) district

-Regarding homeowners insurance - do I need a special policy or add on to standard policy? Should I tell my insurance that I'm renting out basement?

-220v oven in basement or just a 110v cooktop?

Thanks all for your help! 

Post: Separate basement rental in Aurora

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25
Quote from @Brian Kloft:
Quote from @Trace Adams:

Hi all,

I am currently house hunting for my first home in the Aurora, CO area and am interested in finding something with a finished basement that I could create a separate entrance for (assuming one doesn't already exist) and rent it out to tenants and make a dent in the mortgage payment given this high interest rate environment. However, I called the City of Aurora to ask about zoning codes and considerations for doing this, and they said renting out a basement is not allowed in Aurora. Is there a way around this or are my dreams dead because the govt, who wants to fix the housing crisis, will not let a first time homebuyer do something that is perhaps the #1 solution to making housing cheaper in a market like Denver? Thanks!


 When you talked to the city did you just say rent it out or did you specify long term rental? If you didn't specify, then the person you were talking to might have thought you were just talking about a short term rental / Air B&B.

I just said rent without specifying ST vs LT. I dig deeper into the regs on the city’s website and it seems like both long and short term rentals are allowed so not sure why I was told otherwise over the phone. 

Post: Separate basement rental in Aurora

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25

Hi all,

I am currently house hunting for my first home in the Aurora, CO area and am interested in finding something with a finished basement that I could create a separate entrance for (assuming one doesn't already exist) and rent it out to tenants and make a dent in the mortgage payment given this high interest rate environment. However, I called the City of Aurora to ask about zoning codes and considerations for doing this, and they said renting out a basement is not allowed in Aurora. Is there a way around this or are my dreams dead because the govt, who wants to fix the housing crisis, will not let a first time homebuyer do something that is perhaps the #1 solution to making housing cheaper in a market like Denver? Thanks!

Post: Tampa rental market

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25
Quote from @Josh Green:
Quote from @Trace Adams:

Hi all, I recently posted about buying a rental in Tampa and got a lot of good replies. Since then I figured out since I meet the income threshold I could consider it a "second home" vs. rental investment so I could put 10% down, which has me even more interested. I wanted to do a follow up post to get everyone's thoughts on the other things I am thinking about currently as I crunch my numbers and look for properties:

-Trying to decide on whether I would want to rent on a short term or a long term basis. Leaning toward a turn-key property and renting it out long term - easier to manage, don't have to furnish, reasonable property management fees (~10% of monthly rent income from what I've read), and more stable income. Seems like short term would likely generate more revenue but not really sure about profit when you consider vacancy and property management fees of ~30% (I would consider remote management but I would think cleaning fees would still be ~$400/mo. which is high). Thoughts?

-On that point, what are the best areas/neighborhoods for short term rentals and the best areas/neighborhoods for long term rentals in the Tampa metro (willing to go outside of Tampa city limits to areas like St Pete/Clearwater/etc.)?

-Touched on it a bit above but what are everyone's thoughts on hiring a property manager for a long term rental? And for a short term rental? 

-Lastly, any areas I should avoid that have had flooding issues in the past? I have heard the St Pete area can be bad...

-Any other specific tips for the Tampa market would be welcomed!

Thanks!

Trace Adams

You hit a lot of good points above and here are some thoughts your should consider:
1) IF you’re buying with a second home loan, don’t rent it out long term. You can easily get audited and caught for mortgage fraud for putting in a 12 month lease.  Also, you won’t find a long term rental with a 10% down loan that isn’t going to be cash flow negative with todays rates and property values, especially if you’re not self managing.
2) STR will net more but to do a great STR, you need to put the cash into the property to make it a top listing. With 10% down, again, will be hard to consistently cash flow unless you are truly a top 10% listing and likely self manage it well.  With PM fees, 10% down, and today’s property values and interest rates, you’ll be skirting the line. Profitable months will be green and lower months you’ll be red.  Might come out green overall but it’ll be close.

bonus: if you’re willing and capable to do an excellent t STR, which I would budget a good $40k-$50k on the furnishing/design/decor (more if you are outsourcing it all) AND are putting down 20%+, you’ll be able to have a very positive cash flow asset. I also co-host properties for a discount for clients (I have over a dozen currently) at a much lower rate than the market 20-30% which really helps.  Don’t want to discourage you with leverage but 10% down…I’m just going to be honest with you on what to expect and not over promise.

 Thanks Josh. Wasn't aware I couldn't rent out a second home long term so good to know. I think I would self-manage a short term rental but good to know you will co-host for a discount - I might be in touch.

Post: Anyone Doing Long Distance Short Term Rental Successfully?

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25
Quote from @Michael Baum:
Quote from @Trace Adams:

Michael, jumping in way late here, but what is a good rough estimate for monthly cleaning and maintenance costs as I run my numbers for a STR investment (looking in Tampa market if that helps)? Thanks!

So it really depends on the property location, age etc. For example, in 2023, we had only $180 in maintenance and that was furnace and A/C service contract. Nothing else was needed. Next year will be more as I will need to re-stain the deck.

Cleaning costs are a pass through cost most often. You can go out to Turno and get some bids on a sample property of the type you are looking at to get a better idea of costs.

The older your hard systems are, the more it will cost to keep them up.

 Thanks Michael. I hadn't thought about cleaning costs being passed through but makes sense now as there has always been cleaning fees in the airbnb's I have stayed in in the past. That helps my numbers for sure. 

Post: Anyone Doing Long Distance Short Term Rental Successfully?

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25
Quote from @Michael Baum:
Just to add to the pile. Our vacation home is about 360 miles from us and we manage it all remotely. No way I would pay 30% to a PM. We would lose any hope of profit.
What you need to do is find the area then start looking at cleaners and handypersons that can be your boots on the ground.
If you get good folks in that space, then you can move forward with the rest.
It isn't a cakewalk, but it ain't rocket surgery either.

Michael, jumping in way late here, but what is a good rough estimate for monthly cleaning and maintenance costs as I run my numbers for a STR investment (looking in Tampa market if that helps)? Thanks!

Post: Tampa rental market

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25

Hi all, I recently posted about buying a rental in Tampa and got a lot of good replies. Since then I figured out since I meet the income threshold I could consider it a "second home" vs. rental investment so I could put 10% down, which has me even more interested. I wanted to do a follow up post to get everyone's thoughts on the other things I am thinking about currently as I crunch my numbers and look for properties:

-Trying to decide on whether I would want to rent on a short term or a long term basis. Leaning toward a turn-key property and renting it out long term - easier to manage, don't have to furnish, reasonable property management fees (~10% of monthly rent income from what I've read), and more stable income. Seems like short term would likely generate more revenue but not really sure about profit when you consider vacancy and property management fees of ~30% (I would consider remote management but I would think cleaning fees would still be ~$400/mo. which is high). Thoughts?

-On that point, what are the best areas/neighborhoods for short term rentals and the best areas/neighborhoods for long term rentals in the Tampa metro (willing to go outside of Tampa city limits to areas like St Pete/Clearwater/etc.)?

-Touched on it a bit above but what are everyone's thoughts on hiring a property manager for a long term rental? And for a short term rental? 

-Lastly, any areas I should avoid that have had flooding issues in the past? I have heard the St Pete area can be bad...

-Any other specific tips for the Tampa market would be welcomed!

Thanks!

Trace Adams

Post: Long distance Investment property as first home purchase

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25
Quote from @David Ramirez:

Hey @Trace Adams

Finding a property that cash flows with today's interest rates in Tampa is tough. Tampa Bay is an appreciating market rather than a cash-flowing market. Prices in relation to rents are out of control, so shooting for a 1% rule just won't cut it.

With that being said, you can still find cash-flowing properties in the surrounding areas of Tampa. Pasco and Polk counties would be your best options for that. We still find cash-flowing properties in Central Florida but through seller financing. We have done three of those so far.

I would love to connect! Good luck

Thanks David, I may connect with you on the side in the coming weeks. When you say it is tough to find a cash flowing property, are you assuming it’s rented out long-term or just in general? Based on my research it seems like with a little rehab and managing a short term rental effectively, short term would likely cash flow more in a market like Tampa. 

Appreciate the info on locations! I will be in Tampa in a couple weeks and plan to explore neighborhoods a bit more.

Trace 

Post: Long distance Investment property as first home purchase

Trace Adams
Posted
  • Home Stager
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 25
Quote from @Ko Kashiwagi:

Hi Trace,

When you say priced out of the market, is this assuming a 20% down payment or a lower down payment? If it's owner occupied, you could buy at as low as 3.5-5% down, which would qualify you for a higher value home. House-hacking is one of the best ways to get into real estate, so this could be a viable options. You could also move into the Tampa property later on - although I would say this is a rare practice because people usually like to take advantage of the primary home loans if they are going to live in it (people usually live in, and then rent).

All good points and considerations I have thought about. I could probably do a 3-5% down payment for a property here but the mortgage payment would still be higher than I want to pay as the loan size would be bigger because I’d be buying a $500-600K+ house. 

My main reasons for buying an investment property in Tampa:
-Not ready to leave Denver right now, but want to move in the next 3-5 years so want to remain flexible via renting my personal house
-Rental investment property would give me some passive income on the side while I save up renting and decide if/where I want to move
-Tampa property is just cheaper overall so even if I have to put more down, mortgage payment will be lower
-Honestly, part of it is also just “manifesting” moving to Tampa eventually 

 
Trace