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All Forum Posts by: Tiger M.

Tiger M. has started 28 posts and replied 473 times.

Post: 2nd NPN risk mitigation attorney response

Tiger M.Posted
  • property manager
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
  • Votes 171

I thought the comments from a prominent note attorney may be helpful to folks watching the NPN niche. I see BP comments coming in from all sorts of folks with their varied opinions, influences and comments on these forums. Some that come from outer space where they were previously looking for new life and new civilizations in another galaxy. Others that are entrenched in this niche on a day to day basis (@Dion DePaoli  for one) .This NPN opportunity is like Baskin Robbins with 31 flavors (1st, 2nd, performing, OWC, partials, etc.). That is part of what makes notes work. Each investor can select what fits their investment model and roll with it. I hope this is helpful as the attorney below works for a major investment and servicing firm. I feel product type is one of the most important disclosures in any note forum discussion to avoid blended responses. This topic is on the junk(cheap) underwater second position lien with intention to help the borrower stay in the home. The question posed was, "What are the most important items in NPN risk mitigation". Reply as follows:

A typical client of mine is seeking counsel for one of two things: (1) how to protect themselves from lawsuits for things that have happened in the past; or (2) how to best minimize risk for future business endeavors. Of course, forward-looking risk-mitigation is always preferred. The following is intended to offer a bit of perspective on necessary aspects of the non-performing note business with an eye towards mitigating risk:

First, acquiring the right asset is naturally important, but, when it comes to non-performing loans, evaluating one asset over the other is often impossible due to the one thing that no two loans will have in common: the borrower. As a result, the only real method to accounting for this risk is acquiring several similar assets. We know that certain mortgages will end up resulting in little or no income (be it through something like a bankruptcy or foreclosure). Purchasing a single loan, therefore, is akin to entering a casino. However, by spreading the risk across a number of loans, an investor is far more likely to weather a handful of “bad” loans in stride while covering losses and making a substantial profit on the loans that are successes.

Second, each state treats mortgage loans (or loans secured by trust deeds) differently. Some states require a lawsuit to be filed to foreclose; some states merely require some recorded documents and a public sale. In either case, the process could take just over a month to several years. But, a typical note investor is rarely interested in the property itself, so the timeline, however long or short, can be used to his or her advantage. Additionally, some states have different laws regarding deficiencies or even how the asset or debt is to be treated in bankruptcy or insolvency proceedings. Understanding the state-specific remedies available in the event the asset does not perform in accordance with “Plan A” become crucial in valuing an asset for purchase or otherwise maximizing return.

The third thing to be mindful of is regulation. This industry, at least at the private level, is in its infancy. As I see it, the industry is on a path towards more regulation. With the passage of Dodd-Frank, and the extension of fair debt collection statutes (both state and federal) to, not-only third-party debt collectors, but to owners of that debt as well, the regulatory bodies have exhibited their intention to continue protecting the consumer. Now, at present, much of what is done in working out non-performing notes, may be done without a license, the truth remains that at some point in the future, that may not be the case. Therefore, working with entities that carry the appropriate licenses (e.g., debt collector’s licenses, servicer licenses, and mortgage broker licenses) across the nation and are “ahead of the curve” so to speak when it comes to compliance further minimizes the investors potential risk.

In short, the opportunity to make money in notes certainly exists. With an understanding of the foregoing, however, I feel that that opportunity can be realized. 

Post: Top 3 YOY Miami 10.5%- Las Vegas 10.1% - San Franscisco 9%

Tiger M.Posted
  • property manager
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
  • Votes 171

@Matt R. 

I guess josh needed to bless it before posted on BP. It should work by now. If not you can hit my website and go to news.

Post: Top 3 YOY Miami 10.5%- Las Vegas 10.1% - San Franscisco 9%

Tiger M.Posted
  • property manager
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
  • Votes 171

@Matt R. I posted a blog about the change in vegas rentals over the summer you might be interested in:

You know there is a difference between pessimism and realism. We count ourselves in the realism category. The previous post described, (link to post is here) why prices would be coming down even though the national sources are trumpeting stellar recovery. The word that comes to mind is

Post: 92% of ALL Real Estate Investors only own 1 or 2 properties...

Tiger M.Posted
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  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
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@David Krulac which book was that?

Post: Loan mod strategies for houses with equity

Tiger M.Posted
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  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
  • Votes 171

Get an updated income and expense then run credit. Best shot is to check their DCR and suggest an affordable reinstatement and monthly payment. $5000 has the magic number for our reinstatements. Most folks can put that together. I suggest speaking to a cpa before doing a mod. Best to forbear for as long as possible. No reason to cause a borrower tax issues that are avoidable.

Post: Why to invest in Notes?

Tiger M.Posted
  • property manager
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
  • Votes 171

@Bill Gulley questions.    

But to humor the comment posed, the industry standard I have heard and seen is 15% of reworked loans default again. We haven't experience numbers that high. There is no trick to lowering that number, just use common sense and allow an affordable payment for the borrower instead of being a greedy jerk. We work on one loan that has defaulted every year since 2008. If rented, he pays the loan payment, if not, he doesn't. Has the loan been profitable, yep. Would traditional risk evaluations have prevented any issues, maybe. Would we have bought the note again, yep.

Is it risky, yep. 

So is getting out of bed each day to feed cows.

Post: Why do investors buy HOA liens at auction?

Tiger M.Posted
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  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
  • Votes 171
Originally posted by @Tiger M.:

I heard in the rumor mill that local HOA attorneys are expecting the case currently being heard to wipe the loans in NV. Below is the comment,

"The Nevada Supreme Court has not only received written briefs in May but also heard oral arguments pertaining to the super nine month lien law and the extinguishing of the first lender’s loan by an association’s foreclosure of a home. We have been told to expect a decision from the court by the end of the 2014 year." @Steve Cantano might roll that hard six.

 @Steve Cantano     I guess the rumor mill was correct. congrats. i assume the title companies will require "quiet title actions" to provide title insurance for any sales. Any thoughts?

Post: Inadvertently won auctions, closed on properties, now what?

Tiger M.Posted
  • property manager
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
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I would evaluate capital gain income and consider making a donation to a nonprofit to use as an offset to capital gain income. There is good money to be made in loss offsets. 

Post: Kondaur Capital

Tiger M.Posted
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  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
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@Sandy Blanton There is a stout lesson about what we post on open forums.

Post: Why to invest in Notes?

Tiger M.Posted
  • property manager
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 502
  • Votes 171

@Bill B. I wish you best of luck! I hope your offer gets accepted. Its good to see you picked up a mentor. Appears you have a handle on the realistic strategies. I've been in RE 25 years too and wouldn't have gone in this direction with out some hand holding at first(I hope it was my hand being held...). I was nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs on our first pool. Buying one NPN at a time is outside our tolerable risk threshold. We would rather buy 10 notes at $2000 each than one at $20,000. Thats 2nds I'm talking about. One totally lost, then goes from a 100% devastating loss, to marginal 10% loss than can be offsett by just one other good note. Glad I'm not the only one with long post.