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All Forum Posts by: Victor S.

Victor S. has started 14 posts and replied 1188 times.

Post: Newbie with Roof/Insurance problem!

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Quote from @Victor S.:
Quote from @Nathan M kiefer:
Quote from @Matthew Paul:

@Matthew Jones  You could turn this around on the insurance company . I deal with a roofing company they do a lot of storm damage ( insurance claim ) work .  They get similar calls from homeowners where the insurance company will tell them to fix the roof or be canceled . The roofer gets up on the roof and finds wind damage , and then the homeowner files a claim and the insurance company pays for a new roof less the deductable .

Then after they pay for a new roof , you drop them and get another insurance company . 

 Wouldn't recommend that, loss runs will just run your rates up and you will be paying more and instantly show red flags to your new carrier 


 nope, roof replacement from storm damage rarely, if ever, counts against the HO. what Matthew is talking about is legit. i've had my roof replaced by safeco (very easy to work with) and then switched my policy over to another carrier w/o any issues. One asterisk, tho. If OP's current carrier denies the claim (that's where he needs a good, experienced roofer), then he will have issues switching over to a new carrier with that denied claim on record. 

This is all sorts of wrong.

My initial issue with Matthew's advice is that the property has only been owned for a month so unless the "wind damage" occurred during that time there is no covered loss here.  The likelihood of getting Progressive to cover a claim ON THE ROOF when they are issuing a flat cancel due to inspection ON THE ROOF is very low.

For the most part, insurance companies don't inspect homes before coverage is bound.  They're inspecting nearly every home now post-bind because of the difficult insurance environment and ability to get off a risk (flat cancel) within a certain period of time (depending on the state) just after the policy was issued.  Meaning, they can cancel within first 45 or 60 days without having to wait until the policy anniversary.

Separate from that, there isn't any special provision for storm damage not negatively impacting your insurance.  If a storm is deemed a catastrophe that is a different story.  Unless there was a severe storm with widespread damage in the past month of home ownership...not gonna fly.  

All that being said, there are a lot of roofing companies that do exactly what @Matthew Paul was suggesting.  Sometimes it's totally legit. Other times they go from house to house in a neighborhood and solicit homeowners to get projects replacing roofs.  Needless to say this practice eventually gets fought by insurance, prices go up, policies get less comprehensive, etc.  It's happening now all over the place.  It's a vicious cycle.

Whatever your opinions are on this practice the tricky part about this situation is that this is a new purchase and new insurance policy.  You're looking at a very small window for when damage could have occurred and therefore an actual covered loss.

When purchasing an insurance policy you will be asked when the roof was last replaced.  It's a significant rating factor.  You'll also have to disclose that your previous policy was cancelled and why.  If you replace the roof and can prove that you've done so you should be able to get a new policy with a new carrier.  Some will have issues with the work not being done by a licensed contractor.  There's no hard and fast rule and they may or may not ask specifically.

"Separate from that, there isn't any special provision for storm damage
not negatively impacting your insurance. If a storm is deemed a
catastrophe that is a different story. Unless there was a severe storm
with widespread damage in the past month of home ownership...not gonna
fly. "

that was my point. if there was a storm in the area, then it's deemed an "act of god" and doesn't count against you, unlike something you could've been in control of. i.e., your home getting robbed.

"Needless to say this practice eventually gets fought by insurance, prices
go up, policies get less comprehensive, etc. It's happening now all
over the place. It's a vicious cycle."

welcome to the world of insurance, where everyone is trying to one-up the other guy. this happens across the whole insurance spectrum and not limited just to home insurance.

to the OP, shop around and get a new carrier, then start consulting with experienced roofers in your area on what you remedy could be.

Post: Newbie with Roof/Insurance problem!

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Quote from @Nathan M kiefer:
Quote from @Matthew Paul:

@Matthew Jones  You could turn this around on the insurance company . I deal with a roofing company they do a lot of storm damage ( insurance claim ) work .  They get similar calls from homeowners where the insurance company will tell them to fix the roof or be canceled . The roofer gets up on the roof and finds wind damage , and then the homeowner files a claim and the insurance company pays for a new roof less the deductable .

Then after they pay for a new roof , you drop them and get another insurance company . 

 Wouldn't recommend that, loss runs will just run your rates up and you will be paying more and instantly show red flags to your new carrier 


 nope, roof replacement from storm damage rarely, if ever, counts against the HO. what Matthew is talking about is legit. i've had my roof replaced by safeco (very easy to work with) and then switched my policy over to another carrier w/o any issues. One asterisk, tho. If OP's current carrier denies the claim (that's where he needs a good, experienced roofer), then he will have issues switching over to a new carrier with that denied claim on record. 

Quote from @Melanie Thomas:

If I was given the two choices, I would continue on and work to recoup sunk costs; however, my motivations are my own. Above all, this is a hard lesson to learn, and I am sorry you are going through this. Really look at your long-term goals and how you could turn this around. Good luck & happy investing!

 continue on by adding even more to the sunk costs? c'mon...
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@Summer Dechanukul

I hate that this happened to you and I hope that you will report the realtor to their Broker at a minimum.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of everyone - realtors, contractors, lenders, insurance brokers - who are not qualified to be advising others on real estate.  You haven't made a 'fatal mistake,' just a lesson learned...there will be more.  You can still turn this around and move forward to something far better.  I  recommend making the repairs; prepare a Scope of Work. If you don't have one (the form), the are available for free download online.  Get real specific on what needs to happen - step by step - and get bids for each job. Have each contractor sign off on the Scope of Work for their specialty and manage to it.  This will save you time and money while expediating the repairs.

Once you decide to settle into the current reality, dig in and move forward, all this will be far behind you.  You got this...

 why, tho? why keep throwing more good cash after the bad? you want her to dump another $30k in and then "potentially" cash flow a couple hundred a month, all while stuck near 200k?

Post: Smokies "hiney showing" thread

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This thread just needs some optimistic positive thinking….where is Luke Carl at to fire everyone back up? 


 LMAO! shots fired

just checked his and his wife's profiles and both hadn't posted since September. Still active on YI think they are still doing a module at BP con though.   these things cycle and I am sure many of their clients got in early and are just fine.  I dont really know what they do I

 yeah, it's just odd they both dropped off around the same time. i guess pods/YT pay more than trying to catch fish on here.

Post: Smokies "hiney showing" thread

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Quote from @John Carbone:

This thread just needs some optimistic positive thinking….where is Luke Carl at to fire everyone back up? 


 LMAO! shots fired

just checked his and his wife's profiles and both hadn't posted since September. Still active on YT, tho.
sounds like her realtor was Clayton Morris... oh wait, he's a big time youtuber now lol 

what a mess this thread is. OP, what you need to do is figure out the true value of this property and go from there. From what the locals are saying, you're in red no matter what, so it's up to you to figure out the least amount of damage you can take on. sounds like you're dumping more good cash after bad at this point.

good luck.
that "smile" says it all
Quote from @Colleen F.:

@Chris Park Getting a 100 degree space cooled again eats up more energy then just keeping it at 80 and having him bump it up when he comes back. If you can convince him to do it. If you are in a really hot location a setback on the thermostat is what you probably need, not routinely shutting it down.  I would also suggest the cap above which the tenant pays for a future lease.

not necessarily (especially if the house is old/inadequately insulated). good luck trying to cool the place from 80 to 74 when it's still high 90s at night after 100+ day time temps.

not sure if serious, but, like our pResident likes to say, "c'mon, man!" a little water by the cars and some truck with junk makes you want to sell at a loss? i thought i'd read about some drive-bys at night or something, judging by the title (def. disappointed) ... Sounds like the area is a bit more on the blue collar side - nothing wrong with that. As long as you didn't overpay for the place (and people don't get killed on the daily there), who cares? 

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