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All Forum Posts by: Vic Vega

Vic Vega has started 21 posts and replied 77 times.

Post: To sell or rent my current primary residence?!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Kevin Hunter:

@Vic Vega, without knowing the specifics I made some assumptions based on your original post. First, I assumed you put 20% down for a total of around 30K, making your principal borrowed around 127K. Second, I assumed a mill rate of around .02 (taxes around 2% of assessed value). I also assumed insurance of around $600 per year. Lastly, I assumed an interest rate of 4.5%. Knowing that those are all variables, I worked the formula to give me a PITI of about $900. If you pass on the exact numbers I will rework my formula.

The first issue I see is a problem with your statement "so great cash flow obviously."  I disagree that you will have great cash flow.  Let's say you get $1600, which is not smart to plan for because you never want to plan for the highest amount, rather you should hedge your bets and assume worst case scenario.  Regardless, assuming $1600 in rent, you are starting off with $683 cash flow.  Now, with a rental, you need to plan in other contingencies:

vacancy: 10% (160/month), your cash flow is now $523 per month

maintenance and repairs: 10% (160/month), your cash flow is now $363 per month

utilities (if your county or state requires you to carry some) - 10%, your cash flow is now $203/month

lawn care/snow removal: 5%($80/month), your cash flow is now $123/month

capital expenses(CAPEX): I know you say the place is in perfect shape but you still need a plan to start setting aside for future expenses, roof, water heater, HVAC, driveway, windows, siding, etc...:even on the low end I would plan for 10%(160/month) - your cash flow is now -$37/month

Have you considered refinancing at the current 113K, at current rates as low as they are. If you can afford to, I would suggest getting the rate down to 3.5 or so which will lower your monthly PITI to around $765/month which would bring you whole again. This way if you do decide to rent it out, you are at least cash flowing positive.

It is really hard to be disciplined and look at this investment this way.  There is emotion there and I am guilty of it as well.  Your current house, if you should decide to rent it, is now an unemotional investment.  You cannot plan for top of the market rents long term.  You may get them to start because the house is in pristine condition, but how long will it stay that way.  One year, two, five??... then what??  You have to plan for vacancy and long term capital expenses because history tells us that those things are unavoidable and a fact of long term real estate investing.  

If you want to start building your portfolio, this is a great way to do it.  Although it is not the ideal rental, it may be a good opportunity to maintain leverage and gain a second property.  The jump from one to two may be the biggest jump to make.  

Do what makes the most sense to you and don't look back.  Good luck!

Thanks for the feedback! You're almost exactly right in some of your assumptions. Here's a recap.

Purchase price: 158k

Down payment: 32k

Borrowed: 126k at 4.375%

Taxes: Approx 2.4k

PITI: $917 monthly

Current value: Approx 205.9k (based on comps)

As far as monthly expenses I know other thing needs to be factored in for cash flow such as maint, vacancies etc. I was just throwing out a gross number. Although I crunch numbers with a little lower percentages in regard to those factors. Utilities would be 100% on the renter and there are no fees for lawn care/snow removal. This is a town home with about a 120 sq/ft front and back yard. No HOA either.

The house now is in excellent shape structurally and cosmetically but like I mentioned in a follow up post the home is 22 years old and all major components (roof, hvac etc.) I believe, need to verify, are original so it may need some high dollar repairs in the coming years.

Cash out refinancing is an option as it would give me down payment cash for a new primary residence, allow for better cash flow if I rent my current home but would give me little to none in left over cash for future investment capital.

Post: To sell or rent my current primary residence?!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Dave Foster:

The profit from your sale now would be tax free. because you've lived in the house for 2 out of the last 5 years.   You could rent it for 3 more years and still take advantage of that primary residence exemption but you would have to pay a recapture of depreciation during the 3 years you rented it and you would have to make it sale ready again.  

 This is exactly some of my thoughts on why I should not rent for a few years before selling bc I know I'd have to go back and dump money in it to bring it back up to premium sale ready condition. My home is currently 22 years old and all major things (roof, hvac etc..) are in fine working condition but all original so I may have some major repairs needed in the next handful of years?

Also, what exactly is "pay a recapture of depreciation..."?

Post: To sell or rent my current primary residence?!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

Hey Everyone!

So I know many will say to this question it depends on what your goals are which I totally understand. However, just want to get a little conversation going with some of your opinions.

So almost exactly 5 years ago I bought my home on short sale for $158k in excellent move in ready shape. It's been gradually freshened up and updated since I've been there and now has a value around $205k, perhaps closer to $210k when I plan to put it on the market in a few months. I'd comfortably say my home is on the high-end of my neighborhood value wise. I currently owe $113k on my mortgage. To sell or rent is the question. Average rent price is around $1,500-1,600 and I could get the high end possibly get just slightly more. I have a mortgage payment of $917 so great cash flow obviously. 

Of course if I sell I'd need money for 20% down (prob $40-50k) on my new primary residence. I have plenty of cash reserves in the bank but wouldn't really want to use that on my primary residence, rather use it on investment properties. Be nice to use profits from selling my home for a new down payment.

My concern with renting, which maybe it shouldn't be, is that my home is setup to sell so to speak. Just like someone who bought a property to flip does a little higher end rehab vs someone who rehabs a property to rent instead. So that be a factor in passing up my home as a rental?

If I sell my home, after fees and cost I'd likely profit around $65-75k. Around $50k of that would go to my new homes down payment and remaining $15-25k would be added to my cash existing reserves and available as investment capital.

Thoughts?

Post: Trouble competing as part time investor!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

@John Thedford so all your properties are paid cash in full whether your own or hard money? Am I correct there? Are you refinancing out on them as well or just letting that capital stayed tied up? Sorry for all the questions...

Post: Trouble competing as part time investor!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

@John Thedford Are your rentals mostly turnkey or reno's when you purchased them?

Post: Trouble competing as part time investor!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

Good points guys! @Ned Carey @Bob Collett @John Thedford  I agree 100% that flipping is more a business and buy/hold are more inlined with actual investing/passive income. And yes, I certainly don't have time for another business. I guess my lack of experience and newness to real estate has me thinking my feasible options are wider than they really are. And it's certainly not a bad thing necessarily if they are not. 

My train of thought with buy/hold has always been how much capital am I willing to tie up long term. I'm sure that's a question only I can really answer but do any of your have a general rule of thumb regarding how much capital your comfortable tieing up long term based on how much total capital you currently have?

Post: Trouble competing as part time investor!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

Thanks for the feedback guys! @John Thedford POF is fortunately not a problem for me as I have plenty of liquid reserves sitting in the bank so I agree in that giving me a slight leg up.

In regard to your first part of asking do I want to buy/hold or buy/flip...too be honest I don't know. Having my plan set in that regard would always be ideal but for the moment I simply research properties and based on the situation I kind of say to myself ok I'm interested in this property for buy/hold or I'm interested for buy/flip. A singular focus would be nice but I feel it may take simply doing one or the other to really then know what my plan will be going fwd. 

Post: Trouble competing as part time investor!

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

Hey Everyone!

Thanks for checking in. So I'm extremely interested in real estate for a little while now and have been actively education myself and researching/scanning my local market for potential properties. However, I feel a bit stuck at the moment and allow me to explain.

So I own a successful small business which is great but of course it requires A LOT of my time. Therefore real estate investing would have to be a part time venture in comparison. It puts me at a bit of disadvantage compared to investors who work full time every day in real estate. Not so much just the time factor but those guys/gals are typically able to have better connections and more resources. They're doing multiple - to many rehabs at a time allowing them to leverage their resources better. And as I've experienced, outbid me on deals bc they can make the higher cost work for them overall but it wouldn't work for me doing just one house at a time.

However where there's a will there's a way of course. Just having a lot of trouble finding that way as someone in my position. Any thoughts or guidance would be greatly appreciated!

Post: Are "Corporate" Turn Key Rentals good?

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

So I wanted to get some opinions on turn key rental investments. I used the word "corporate" just specify the turn key properties available from companies which are rehabbed ready to go with a property management team etc. in place. Specifically I was looking at midsouthhomebuyers.com just for some info regarding this.

I'll leave it relatively vague at this point just to get some conversation going hopefully.

Post: Buying turnkey rental close to market value? Crazy or no?

Vic VegaPosted
  • Halethorpe, MD
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 21

@Brandt Smith thanks for the input. You say your require $400+ in cash flow. Is that $400 after taking monies for vacancy/repairs and property mgmt from your cash flow total?