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All Forum Posts by: Virgil Moore

Virgil Moore has started 9 posts and replied 46 times.

Quote from @James Hamling:
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Quote from @Don Konipol:
Quote from @Joe S.:

Folks, you got to admire Virgil‘s sponk. I definitely enjoyed this thread. Lol. 😂 

Yeah, he’s been at it all of 60 days.  3 months from now he’ll have forgotten business credit cards and will have signed up to shill some other b.s.”offering”. 
Meanwhile, he’s attacked the credibility and intentions of the most experienced real estate investors on BP; doubled down on his lies and misinformation even when clearly caught; resorted to childish “name calling”, arrogantly advised what other posters should be doing with their time; implied that he has a unique understanding and unique”relationships’ with banking institutions; and put forth statements revealing his ignorance of anything related to real estate. 

No, he doesn’t sound LIKE a guru; he sounds like someone who just threw away $ on joining a guru group and is desperately trying to recover the money he spent.  My best guess is from the lack of providing any personal “success”stories and the fact that his media presence as to business credit cards began about 30 days ago on LinkedIn, he has yet to make a sale.  

If he continues “working” BP for his “business” he will in all likelihood have very disappointing results.  

It’s been fun, but it’s now time to ignore the shill. 

I’m here to provide real, practical funding solutions for real estate investors who want to scale without relying on hard money or predatory lenders. Business credit is a tool many successful investors use—it’s not a gimmick, and it’s certainly not ‘guru’ nonsense.

I haven’t attacked anyone’s credibility, but I have challenged misinformation. If that’s ruffling feathers, so be it. The truth is, plenty of investors struggle with funding because they don’t know all the options available to them. My goal is to change that.

If you’re open to a real discussion about alternative financing and how it can be leveraged in real estate, great—I’m happy to have that conversation. If not, no worries. But let’s keep it constructive. Because you don’t know ANYTHING about business credit, you said something crazy about a 30 day interest, you made yourself look dumb. None of this wouldn’t have happened if you didn’t comment on my post being a hater! Now stop before you hurt yourself, you’re too old to be this mad lol. 


Let's see, so far your responses Virgil have been to OUT RIGHT LIE, make insults to me about the color of my skin (real classy), make insults to Don about his age (the mark of legitimacy) and just keep word vomiting total BS! 

Ever heard of a little place called GE Capitol? Now rebranded as Synchrony? 
I was an authorized reseller of there financing for over a decade. I have sold literally millions upon millions in so called "0% financing". 
I have forgotten more about business and finance than you've ever known Virgil. As evidenced by the absolute cow manure rolling out your mouth. 

Get informed kid, you don't even have the first clue of what your doing, OBVIOUSLY. 

A Personal Guarantor, which is REQUIRED on all these BS "tools" your touting, means YES, that person giving PG is 1,000% liable and EVERYTHING they have, bank accounts, assets, EVERYTHING can and WILL be attached and gone after in a default scenario. This INCLUDES there real estate. 

No, having an LLC won't "protect" diddly or squat! 

If you knew even the most basic iota of info on any of this you'd know this, it's basic "crayola" level knowledge/information. 

Only via a corp does one have any chance of ACTUAL separation. But what do I know, I am only the CEO of 2 corps., and founder of nearly a dozen other companies over a 34yr span. 

Your LIEING to people and presenting FLASE NARRATIVES for the expressed intent of profiting off peoples ignorance. You know what that makes you? 

Go ahead, lie some more, dig that grave son! 

 Where is the lie in my information? You’re lying saying that I’m lying, also I’m not reading that because you can’t spell! Lying is not spelled like this: “lieing”. Go get educated in business credit it’s not the same as personal credit. Once you do that then come talk to me, until then. You’re a non-factor! 

Experienced flippers know that access to capital can make or break a deal. Two common strategies for funding flips are hard money loans and business credit card stacking (using your personal credit to PG high-limit business credit cards). Both have their place, but they work very differently—and the consequences of mismanaging them aren’t the same.

Hard Money: Fast Cash, High Cost

Hard money loans are the go-to for many investors because they’re asset-based. If the deal makes sense, you can usually get funded, even with less-than-perfect credit. But the costs are brutal—double-digit interest rates, points at closing, and short repayment terms mean you have to flip fast.

If you can’t pay back a hard money loan, the lender doesn’t hesitate—they take the property. If the numbers don’t work, you could lose the deal and your profits (or worse, come out of pocket to cover losses).

Business Credit Stacking: 0% Interest, No Collateral

Stacking business credit cards lets you fund flips without hard money rates. With a strong personal credit profile, you can PG multiple business cards, access $50K-$150K+ in revolving credit, and often get 0% intro APR for 6-18 months. This means no interest payments cutting into your profits and flexibility in how you deploy the funds.

If you can’t pay back business credit, the lender doesn’t take your property—but your credit profile takes a hit. Missed payments hurt your score, and maxing out cards can make it harder to get new funding. However, with proper strategy (balance transfers, structured paydowns, etc.), you have options before it ever gets to that point.

So, Which is Better?

If speed and high leverage are your priorities, hard money can still make sense—especially if you’re light on liquidity. But if you want to keep more of your profits, avoid hard money headaches, and control your financing costs, business credit stacking is a powerful alternative.

Smart investors leverage both—using 0% business credit for acquisition or rehab and hard money only when absolutely necessary. What’s your go-to strategy for funding flips? Drop your thoughts below!

Quote from @Don Konipol:
Quote from @Joe S.:

Folks, you got to admire Virgil‘s sponk. I definitely enjoyed this thread. Lol. 😂 

Yeah, he’s been at it all of 60 days.  3 months from now he’ll have forgotten business credit cards and will have signed up to shill some other b.s.”offering”. 
Meanwhile, he’s attacked the credibility and intentions of the most experienced real estate investors on BP; doubled down on his lies and misinformation even when clearly caught; resorted to childish “name calling”, arrogantly advised what other posters should be doing with their time; implied that he has a unique understanding and unique”relationships’ with banking institutions; and put forth statements revealing his ignorance of anything related to real estate. 

No, he doesn’t sound LIKE a guru; he sounds like someone who just threw away $ on joining a guru group and is desperately trying to recover the money he spent.  My best guess is from the lack of providing any personal “success”stories and the fact that his media presence as to business credit cards began about 30 days ago on LinkedIn, he has yet to make a sale.  

If he continues “working” BP for his “business” he will in all likelihood have very disappointing results.  

It’s been fun, but it’s now time to ignore the shill. 

I’m here to provide real, practical funding solutions for real estate investors who want to scale without relying on hard money or predatory lenders. Business credit is a tool many successful investors use—it’s not a gimmick, and it’s certainly not ‘guru’ nonsense.

I haven’t attacked anyone’s credibility, but I have challenged misinformation. If that’s ruffling feathers, so be it. The truth is, plenty of investors struggle with funding because they don’t know all the options available to them. My goal is to change that.

If you’re open to a real discussion about alternative financing and how it can be leveraged in real estate, great—I’m happy to have that conversation. If not, no worries. But let’s keep it constructive. Because you don’t know ANYTHING about business credit, you said something crazy about a 30 day interest, you made yourself look dumb. None of this wouldn’t have happened if you didn’t comment on my post being a hater! Now stop before you hurt yourself, you’re too old to be this mad lol. 

Quote from @Alan F.:

CC stacking is old hat. I remember the flipping gurus conning the noobs into this, then calling it seed money, lol.

it's very risky with no benefits.  Legit biz owners don't do **** like that.

This is an especially bad idea for newbies

LISTEN AND LISTEN UP CLOSELY, I WILL CONTINUE TO TEACH PEOPLE ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO SKIN A CAT. HATE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT THAT DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACTS LOL. NOW GOODNIGHT GENTLEMEN, I’LL BE BACK IN THE AM! 8:00 A.M. SHARP!
Quote from @Alan F.:

CC stacking is old hat. I remember the flipping gurus conning the noobs into this, then calling it seed money, lol.

it's very risky with no benefits.  Legit biz owners don't do **** like that.

This is an especially bad idea for newbies

A business owner can’t benefit from 0% interest? lol you guys are insane. I know so many successful businessmen and business women who uses credit card stacking. Just say you’re not any good at business lol. 
Quote from @James Hamling:
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Don Konipol:

Let me be clear on where I stand._

People who come to BP solely to post a promotional piece citing the advantages of the service or product they’re selling are dangerous to anyone not experienced in real estate and finance who may believe the “ad”.                          
It’s still an “ad” even if the poster calls it a “discussion” and even if they do not directly mention their ‘services” in the initial post (they hope someone “bites” and so they can mention on in follow up posts).                                                     

The danger is especially acute when the poster offering the service has very little experience and is new to this service.  It is further dangerous when the poster offers misinformation, half truths and outright lies in their post.  

This OP, as I pointed out in my previous post, “doubles|down” on the lie that 
(1) personal assets are not at risk  - they absolutely are as the OP admits, albeit with some non sensible justification about specific assets not being pledged

(2) protects personal credit - as already stated the personal guarantee necessary will affect the credit card holders credit capacity , and as such find its way to their credit report, and hence affect credit scoring. 

(3) is lower risk - this may be the biggest lie of all.  Financing a property with a loan that in 6 months charges interest of 19.8 - 24% is beyond risky - it’s suicidal.  Unless the property is sold or refinanced, a large negative cash flow is all but guaranteed.  

Can credit cards be used in certain situations with a reasonable chance of success? DEFINITELY, early in my career I did so myself. However those circumstances are limited to investors with the ability to refinance when the promotional rates terminate, or those who have a sale of the property in place. 

And IF you desire a business credit card, all you have to do is do a Google search, and APPLY for the ones offering the most advantageous deals.  No need to pay this clown 10 - 15%, for his non existent “consulting” services (by someone with 60 days experience). 

I’m not about to go back and forth with you because you’re clearly just mad and looking for someone to argue with. You’ve been attacking me nonstop because everything I’m educating people on goes against what you do. It’s obvious.

I’ve already addressed everything you said, yet you keep coming back trying to discredit me because you’re stuck in the past. I’m not here to convince you—this post isn’t even for you. You’re out here pushing outdated methods while I’m showing people a different way.

And let’s get one thing straight—yes, anyone can apply for a business credit card, but not everyone can get the limits I can get them. You have no idea what I actually do, and you definitely don’t have the bank relationships I have. I work with over 10 banks and can get people approvals with higher limits than they’d ever get on their own, no docs needed.

So do yourself a favor and stay in your lane. You don’t know this game, and that’s obvious. Stop commenting on my post and move on mad old man. :) 


just want to say credit repair and stacking business CC is not new at all people have been providing these services for decades ... But regardless in the old days of BP all your posts would have been taken down for self promotion.. but its a new day and BP is allowing this type of post and thread these days.

Me informing investors is self promotion? Did I speak about any service I offer? It’s funny that ALL of the lenders (competition) have something to say, don’t you have meetings or something to attend to? It’s a Monday, get after it! Because if content is allowed then why are you taking time out your “busy” day to comment on MY post? Like I told the other gentleman, stay in YOUR lane. With that being said have a blessed day sir! 


LOL  I dont think your much competition to myself and my company.. The reality is folks come to BP to hear the good and the bad.. and what you propose simply is super high risk.. B/C RE is a capital intense business and you will get folks that are starting out and get talked into this and then find them selves in massive CC debt and really in trouble.. To me CC have a 30 day interest free float .. thats where you use it.. 

Just to clarify, you’re mistaken about the interest-free period. Business credit cards used for credit card stacking typically offer 0% interest for 8-16 months, not just 30 days. This allows investors to leverage the funds for their projects without immediately incurring interest. The real issue isn’t the strategy itself, but how it’s used. When managed properly, it’s a smart way to access capital without putting yourself in a risky situation. I’m confident in the model and its benefits, but this will be my last response as it seems we’re not on the same page here. Go work on your “business” and mind the business that pays you, if it does.

 P.S. Anybody that knows a thing about business credit knows your spreading nonsense lol. 

 Ok, to summarize this whole thread: 

Virgil says: I can help you get FREE MONEY. No interest, NO risk, Super EASY, no downside just cheap easy $$$$. Don't think just JUMP! 

Don K. says: Liar LIAR pant's on fire !

Jay H. says: Damn Son, those smoldering pant's sure do look warm. 

Virgil replies: SHUUUSH! Your scaring the marks...... er, people away I'm trying to scam.... er, "educate"....... 

And ChatGPT says: Stop using me for all your scamy BS Virgil! 

Yup, there ya go folk's, the SHORT-short version. 

 A scam? 💀💀💀 how so? You have never spoken to me to know what or what isn’t a scam. All of you guys can join together to say whatever it is you what to say but what I stated is all facts. Like I told the other gentleman, go get educated and learn about what you don’t know about lol, which is this. Good day Powder, I mean James lol. 

Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Don Konipol:

Let me be clear on where I stand._

People who come to BP solely to post a promotional piece citing the advantages of the service or product they’re selling are dangerous to anyone not experienced in real estate and finance who may believe the “ad”.                          
It’s still an “ad” even if the poster calls it a “discussion” and even if they do not directly mention their ‘services” in the initial post (they hope someone “bites” and so they can mention on in follow up posts).                                                     

The danger is especially acute when the poster offering the service has very little experience and is new to this service.  It is further dangerous when the poster offers misinformation, half truths and outright lies in their post.  

This OP, as I pointed out in my previous post, “doubles|down” on the lie that 
(1) personal assets are not at risk  - they absolutely are as the OP admits, albeit with some non sensible justification about specific assets not being pledged

(2) protects personal credit - as already stated the personal guarantee necessary will affect the credit card holders credit capacity , and as such find its way to their credit report, and hence affect credit scoring. 

(3) is lower risk - this may be the biggest lie of all.  Financing a property with a loan that in 6 months charges interest of 19.8 - 24% is beyond risky - it’s suicidal.  Unless the property is sold or refinanced, a large negative cash flow is all but guaranteed.  

Can credit cards be used in certain situations with a reasonable chance of success? DEFINITELY, early in my career I did so myself. However those circumstances are limited to investors with the ability to refinance when the promotional rates terminate, or those who have a sale of the property in place. 

And IF you desire a business credit card, all you have to do is do a Google search, and APPLY for the ones offering the most advantageous deals.  No need to pay this clown 10 - 15%, for his non existent “consulting” services (by someone with 60 days experience). 

I’m not about to go back and forth with you because you’re clearly just mad and looking for someone to argue with. You’ve been attacking me nonstop because everything I’m educating people on goes against what you do. It’s obvious.

I’ve already addressed everything you said, yet you keep coming back trying to discredit me because you’re stuck in the past. I’m not here to convince you—this post isn’t even for you. You’re out here pushing outdated methods while I’m showing people a different way.

And let’s get one thing straight—yes, anyone can apply for a business credit card, but not everyone can get the limits I can get them. You have no idea what I actually do, and you definitely don’t have the bank relationships I have. I work with over 10 banks and can get people approvals with higher limits than they’d ever get on their own, no docs needed.

So do yourself a favor and stay in your lane. You don’t know this game, and that’s obvious. Stop commenting on my post and move on mad old man. :) 


just want to say credit repair and stacking business CC is not new at all people have been providing these services for decades ... But regardless in the old days of BP all your posts would have been taken down for self promotion.. but its a new day and BP is allowing this type of post and thread these days.

Me informing investors is self promotion? Did I speak about any service I offer? It’s funny that ALL of the lenders (competition) have something to say, don’t you have meetings or something to attend to? It’s a Monday, get after it! Because if content is allowed then why are you taking time out your “busy” day to comment on MY post? Like I told the other gentleman, stay in YOUR lane. With that being said have a blessed day sir! 


LOL  I dont think your much competition to myself and my company.. The reality is folks come to BP to hear the good and the bad.. and what you propose simply is super high risk.. B/C RE is a capital intense business and you will get folks that are starting out and get talked into this and then find them selves in massive CC debt and really in trouble.. To me CC have a 30 day interest free float .. thats where you use it.. 

 The old adage "you dont go to a bank when you need money, you go to a bank when you dont need money" comes to mind. Show up to a lender saying "I know my credit is trashed from because of utilization and I have $100k in maxed-out CC debt, but I just need this cashout refi in the next 30 days to fix it all" and see what happens.


That old adage about banks is a common perspective, but it doesn’t apply to business credit in the same way. Unlike traditional lending, business credit cards used in stacking offer a way to secure funding with no immediate interest and without traditional credit checks that penalize maxed-out personal credit lines. The point is not to pile on more debt, but to use available capital responsibly to fund projects without the constraints of high-interest loans. If managed correctly, this strategy avoids the pitfall you’re describing and provides an opportunity to grow without relying on cash-out refinancing

Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Don Konipol:

Let me be clear on where I stand._

People who come to BP solely to post a promotional piece citing the advantages of the service or product they’re selling are dangerous to anyone not experienced in real estate and finance who may believe the “ad”.                          
It’s still an “ad” even if the poster calls it a “discussion” and even if they do not directly mention their ‘services” in the initial post (they hope someone “bites” and so they can mention on in follow up posts).                                                     

The danger is especially acute when the poster offering the service has very little experience and is new to this service.  It is further dangerous when the poster offers misinformation, half truths and outright lies in their post.  

This OP, as I pointed out in my previous post, “doubles|down” on the lie that 
(1) personal assets are not at risk  - they absolutely are as the OP admits, albeit with some non sensible justification about specific assets not being pledged

(2) protects personal credit - as already stated the personal guarantee necessary will affect the credit card holders credit capacity , and as such find its way to their credit report, and hence affect credit scoring. 

(3) is lower risk - this may be the biggest lie of all.  Financing a property with a loan that in 6 months charges interest of 19.8 - 24% is beyond risky - it’s suicidal.  Unless the property is sold or refinanced, a large negative cash flow is all but guaranteed.  

Can credit cards be used in certain situations with a reasonable chance of success? DEFINITELY, early in my career I did so myself. However those circumstances are limited to investors with the ability to refinance when the promotional rates terminate, or those who have a sale of the property in place. 

And IF you desire a business credit card, all you have to do is do a Google search, and APPLY for the ones offering the most advantageous deals.  No need to pay this clown 10 - 15%, for his non existent “consulting” services (by someone with 60 days experience). 

I’m not about to go back and forth with you because you’re clearly just mad and looking for someone to argue with. You’ve been attacking me nonstop because everything I’m educating people on goes against what you do. It’s obvious.

I’ve already addressed everything you said, yet you keep coming back trying to discredit me because you’re stuck in the past. I’m not here to convince you—this post isn’t even for you. You’re out here pushing outdated methods while I’m showing people a different way.

And let’s get one thing straight—yes, anyone can apply for a business credit card, but not everyone can get the limits I can get them. You have no idea what I actually do, and you definitely don’t have the bank relationships I have. I work with over 10 banks and can get people approvals with higher limits than they’d ever get on their own, no docs needed.

So do yourself a favor and stay in your lane. You don’t know this game, and that’s obvious. Stop commenting on my post and move on mad old man. :) 


just want to say credit repair and stacking business CC is not new at all people have been providing these services for decades ... But regardless in the old days of BP all your posts would have been taken down for self promotion.. but its a new day and BP is allowing this type of post and thread these days.

Me informing investors is self promotion? Did I speak about any service I offer? It’s funny that ALL of the lenders (competition) have something to say, don’t you have meetings or something to attend to? It’s a Monday, get after it! Because if content is allowed then why are you taking time out your “busy” day to comment on MY post? Like I told the other gentleman, stay in YOUR lane. With that being said have a blessed day sir! 


LOL  I dont think your much competition to myself and my company.. The reality is folks come to BP to hear the good and the bad.. and what you propose simply is super high risk.. B/C RE is a capital intense business and you will get folks that are starting out and get talked into this and then find them selves in massive CC debt and really in trouble.. To me CC have a 30 day interest free float .. thats where you use it.. 

Just to clarify, you’re mistaken about the interest-free period. Business credit cards used for credit card stacking typically offer 0% interest for 8-16 months, not just 30 days. This allows investors to leverage the funds for their projects without immediately incurring interest. The real issue isn’t the strategy itself, but how it’s used. When managed properly, it’s a smart way to access capital without putting yourself in a risky situation. I’m confident in the model and its benefits, but this will be my last response as it seems we’re not on the same page here. Go work on your “business” and mind the business that pays you, if it does.

 P.S. Anybody that knows a thing about business credit knows your spreading nonsense lol. 

Quote from @Eric James:

I'm not sure what type of real estate you're referring to. Over the last 7 years financing SFH has been very easy through local commercial banks. Has always taken 3-4 weeks from application to closing.

We are talking about hard money vs credit card stacking. 

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Virgil MoorePosted
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Quote from @Tony Savage:

Yes, I working on building my business line of credit.

If your credit score is 700+, you can personally guarantee (PG) business credit, but your profile needs to be set up correctly to qualify. Here’s what lenders look for:

✅ 700+ Credit Score

✅ At Least 2 Credit Cards with $2,000+ limits

✅ No Collections or Charge-Offs

✅ No Late Payments (Last 2 Years)

✅ No Bankruptcy

✅ Utilization Under 20%

✅ 2-5 Inquiries or Less per bureau

You also need an established LLC to make the most of business credit opportunities. When your personal credit is structured like this, you can access 0% interest business credit to fund your deals without the restrictions of traditional loans.

How’s your credit profile looking?