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All Forum Posts by: Zach Rubin

Zach Rubin has started 5 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: Extra Payment on first property or waste of time?

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Bill Crow:

@Zach Rubin

I’m not sure why you believe the interest rate on investment property 2 years from now will be as good or better than the rate you have on a primary residence today. Am I reading your post correctly?

Secondly, at your stage in life, it may also depend on whether you are counting the income from this rental in your household operating income. If not, you may be better served NOT to prepay for the reasons others have mentioned - the renter pays your mortgage, so the cost of funds is not yours to bear, and the cash in your hand can be deployed where it does you the most good.

I hated the idea of being in debt and it kept me from starting my investment real estate journey for a long time. Now that I’ve embraced that the debt is part of the overhead of having the business, it is much less of a pain point.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.


The only debt I have is a truck payment and a credit card balance. Other than that, this property would be a "good" debt. I just wanted to see whether or not making extra payments would help with the principle of the mortgage even with high interest is all. I haven't gotten my rate yet however I presume it'll be in the %6 range. 

Post: Extra Payment on first property or waste of time?

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Zach Rubin:

Very much appreciate it guys. We are living in the Cary, North Carolina area so it’s growing. We will be debt free this April. My priorities were set since last year with how the economy was and where it is heading so I had started implementing what my strategy was before. We've rented for the past 3 years with it being around $1600 for rent and if my calculations are correct, the mortgage will be around $2200 -$2400. It’s not like we can’t afford it but Ik it was time after debt free to truly start strategizing my real estate investments.


 Are you worried about the math of it, the peace of it, or the behavioral aspect of it?

If it's strictly math, and you can be disciplined to carry cash against your debt notes almost to a 1:1 tier, then sure try it. If you can't, then behavior wise you're not capable of it clearly. 

Don't get fooled with people trading interest rates against others, oh my mortgage is 3.5% but my savings is giving me 4.5%. Anyone that has that justification, ask them to show you the last 10 years of their ability to manage payments and their exercises of financial behavior during times of liquidity. You'll realize they'll always have some excuse to justify their irresponsible actions. Lack of accountability.

That location is an underrated primo, primo spot. 

If you intend to have a family, not my business, I'd keep that as my primary and have my kids go to school in that area. Pay it off as fast as I can for peace of mind, then worry about investments. I'm not saying this as someone preaching, like one's who "trade" IR rates, I've done this myself and the lack of debt, peace of mind changes your day to day lifestyle. 


I wouldn't use the word worried but I see what your getting at. Im not comparing rates like you mentioned and im not even looking into having any actually PRIMARY home for some years forward. Buying and moving into single family or multifamily homes/Househacking is what I plan on doing over and over again unless other opportunities come up. Plus when I mention about being debt free, im really only talking about a truck payment and a credit card amount. And i can even say that my age at 27 is a success compared to many. 

Post: Extra Payment on first property or waste of time?

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Joshua Matthews:
Quote from @Zach Rubin:

Very much appreciate it guys. We are living in the Cary, North Carolina area so it’s growing. We will be debt free this April. My priorities were set since last year with how the economy was and where it is heading so I had started implementing what my strategy was before. We've rented for the past 3 years with it being around $1600 for rent and if my calculations are correct, the mortgage will be around $2200 -$2400. It’s not like we can’t afford it but Ik it was time after debt free to truly start strategizing my real estate investments.

A regular Dave Ramsey out here. Proud of you man. It's a good question and worth talking through in these forums. A ton of great input on this question. For my wife and I we made the emotional decision to not carry any debt over our heads (literally). We paid off our personal residence. But use leverage rentals. Indianapolis is too good of a market to not take advantage. That said, we start safe and will gradually extend leverage as our personal portfolio grows...again, I know the math works and help investors all day long; but at the end of the day it's YOM (your own money) and therefore must be measured against your or risk-meter, to use Ramsey's words.  


 Thanks Josh, I thank you plenty. Why wife and I are in our late and early 20s and make good W2 money for our age. I agree with uncle Ramsey on something’s but others I don’t which I know is OK like anything else and will strategies our future to what fits our needs the best.I began to stop listening to others who weren’t on this side of the mind set in early 2022 and boy has it made me open these eyes. The feedback is incredible by everyone 👍🏻 

Post: Extra Payment on first property or waste of time?

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Very much appreciate it guys. We are living in the Cary, North Carolina area so it’s growing. We will be debt free this April. My priorities were set since last year with how the economy was and where it is heading so I had started implementing what my strategy was before. We've rented for the past 3 years with it being around $1600 for rent and if my calculations are correct, the mortgage will be around $2200 -$2400. It’s not like we can’t afford it but Ik it was time after debt free to truly start strategizing my real estate investments.

Post: Extra Payment on first property or waste of time?

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Greatly appreciative Joe. Definitely helps to understand the best route to go. 

Post: Extra Payment on first property or waste of time?

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

If this is truly going to be a rental property in the future, then it's a waste of money to make extra payments. On a primary, your income is responsible for all the mortgage payments, so those extra payments will save you interest. However, on a rental, you are NOT the source of funds for the mortgage payments,...your tenant's rent is. The only cost to a REI is the cash that comes out of their pocket. Making extra payments is just adding to your cost. Your tenant is already paying for it. This means those mortgage payments are free to you..so don't help your tenant out.

Understood. My idea was as long as we are using this as the primary we would make extra payments because I would rather try and chew down as much as the principle as possible until we can refinance at a way lower rate than what it will be now, have that lower mortgage payment by the time to rent it out, LTR/STR, and be able to receive a greater amount of cashflow.  

Post: Extra Payment on first property or waste of time?

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Hello community,

The wife and I just purchased our first property that will be our primary for the first year or two on a FHA loan. We do plan on refinancing it after that time due to the ideal interest rate we are probably receiving as well as turning into a rental. My question is should we make extra payments monthly to help reduce the amount of that time or not bother because of the high rate? And just save that money for future investment/property purchases?

Post: Property purchase with FHA203K Loan

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

The more reading the better! All the books welcomed! Haha This is great information to go by and I do greatly appreciate it.

Post: Property purchase with FHA203K Loan

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Sylvia H.:

I purchased this way and it was an excellent way to get some repairs done and have one mortgage closing. Repairs cannot be more than 35K with FHA. You will put in your offer and get a quote from a contractor to complete the work. You can get. loan for updating furnaces, painting, pretty much anything that will improve the home. You could not for instance get a swimming pool or anything like that. They underwrite it as one loan and when you close the work can start. You will have to find a lender in your area that offers these types of mortgages. Word of warning. All FHA lenders are not created equal so look around and make sure you are dealing with a lender that can do what you require. Best of luck. It's a great program.


Thank you Sylvia for that information. Now would I have to search for a contractor myself during this process or would lenders have recommendations to contact? 

Post: Property purchase with FHA203K Loan

Zach RubinPosted
  • Investor
  • Cary, NC
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Helloooo fellow peeps!

The wife and I will be looking for our first property purchase in the 1st quarter of 2023 and would like to use a FHA203K loan as our way of finance if a property is in our favor. I understand the fundamentals of it and I would like some experienced opinions on this. Those who have done this before please give me your insight on the process! I believe it’s an excellent way of a “quick” and “instant” (hence the quotations) equity gain on a property.

Thanks everyone!


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