Buying a new home - keeping existing as a rental guestion

Buying a new home - keeping existing as a rental guestion

Real Estate Consultant · Westfield, IN · Member since 2008 · 101 posts · 22 votes

I have been reading as many posts as possible in the past week and wanted to run this by you. I have read a couple posts that mention getting started by buying a new home and keeping your existing as a rental. Bingo, you now own multiple properties and you have dipped your toe into the water to see if you can handle it. I am fine with all of that, but my concern is the 50% rule that I have been reading about.

I would get $1200 per month in rent and our monthly P&I is $797. That leaves less than 50% for expenses, which I have read to include; taxes, insurance, repairs, vacancies etc. Would this factor alone make this a dead deal or do you have a more detailed proforma/speadsheet that you would use after investigating any and all of the taxes, insurance and potential maintenance problems to get a final number?

I ask because the house is 8 years old and in very good condition, and after living in it for 3 years I can't see the need for any major replacement of anything. I know I'm foolish to think nothing will breakdown, but humor me for a minute. Does your 50% rule assume the worst case scenario or that the tenant is going to damage appliances or put their fist through a wall. I am totally on board with analyzing a deal using 50% at first, but I tend to get very detailed in my analysis, especially being my first potential rental.

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  • Investor · Bellefonte, PA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 88 votes
    18y

    What about the possibility of refinancing it? If you already own it and have some equity built up in it you may be able to lower your payment. Personally if the payment was lowered by $100 I would probably keep it even though it doesn't quite fit into the 50% rule. It would basically be a break even property on cash flow at that point.

    -Michael

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    18y

    The 50% rule assumes generally good results for a lot of properties for a long time. It does account for the fact that if you own 100 properties for 10 years you're going to do some evictions and have some tenants wreck the place. But many of your tenants will be just fine.

    I do tend to use 40% on the assumption I'm managing it myself, and working for free.

    With one property for a few years, you're results are almost certainly going to be quite different than 50%. You may get lucky and have no expenses except insurance, taxes, accounting, and tenant screening. You may totally shoot craps and have a crazed maniac totally wreck the place and take months to evict. Or somewhere in between.

    Its pretty likely a tenant will create more wear and tear than you would. So, even if you rent for just a few years, some work will be needed to get it sellable.

    I'm with Michael about the refi. Assuming you're willing to deal with the management, getting the P&I to $700 makes it just about break even. That doesn't mean its your best deal. You may be able to find a better deal if you specifically look for rental property.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Westfield, IN · Member since 2008 · 101 posts · 22 votes
    18y

    Thanks for the comments and I can see now why a newbie would fail at investment. I mow and fertilize the lawn, fix the squeaky door, clean the carpets, paint and maintain the house all without a lot of regard for the time and money I am spending because I live there. Therefore, my only expense is assumed to be the monthly mortgage, taxes & insurance payment. Without the knowledge I have gained from spending hours on this site I would have assumed Rent minus Mortgage, taxes, insurance equals cash flow. Of course I realize there would have been the occasional repair and vacancy but I would not have budgeted for it via a 50% factor.

    As far as the advice on the refi goes, the numbers I quoted are based on a refi that I am going through right now and I will be closing very soon.

    Thanks again for giving me a place to work through these thoughts.

  • Member since 2008 · 14 posts · 1 vote
    18y

    Great post, Corey.

    I'm debating getting into your same situation. I'm about to buy my first house and am weighing my exit plan (sell or rent) after 3-4 years. I plan to move to a different house after a couple of years due to starting a family and expecting a career change. I want to get into REI and this is an opportunity to test it out as you stated.

    A. Buy now and sell after a couple years. I could buy a bigger house now while the market favors me, then sell for profit when the market eventually recovers.

    or

    B. Buy a cheaper house now with intent to rent when its time to move to a different house. I just need to becareful not to upgrade the house so much it will be hard to recoup the money as well as condider where the rental market is vs where I would personally like to live.

    Good luck with the decision. Please let us know what you decide.

    Adrian

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