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If your purchase earned you 20-30k In equity. Would you still consider purchase with a 6 percent return cash on cash. would be buy and hold property. just starting out here and not too much experience figuring out the number's. Many variables to consider Down payment amount. Length of loan. Interest rate. Taxes. Maybe just hold a couple of years? 

@Craig Hanlon

  depends on the asset and were it is.. many assets that are buy and hold will appraise or comp for higher than you pay for them giving the illusion of instant equity.. the issue is you will generally never be able to sell and capture that equity... its phantom.

But if you buy 30% below market of todays ARV in say Vegas or SF or Manhantan or even my little portlandia then your equity is real and can be captured. and in my mind 6% would be great.. but not if your buying in one of the areas were all you hear is appreciation is icing on the cake those areas generally never move in value.. so you need higher cash flow to substantiate the purchase or the reason to invest there in the first place.

I probably wouldn't care too much about the equity unless I were gonna flip it immediately. As a buy and hold investor the returns are what Id focus on. That equity can disappear as quickly as the newspaper can print "City Plans to Build Maximum Security Prison in 2016".

Thanks guys  appreciate your input. The asset was single family reo for 150k and needs 20k material(cash) and sweat equity. Comps are 200-210k

@Craig Hanlon

@Jay Hinrichs

I agree with Jay, equity is at best, unrealized gain. Plus, if you were to sell a property, the transaction cost is likely to be in the 6% to 8% range.

On buying a property for $150,000 which needs $20,000 in materials + labor, it may not be as good a deal as you might think. Below is a comparison between buying a property for $150,000 + $20,000 in materials if all your labor is "free" and it takes you 3 months to get it market ready. Also, I will assume that you can rent the property immediately (zero days) once the work is complete. I will also assume a 2% property tax rate and $1,000/Yr. landlord insurance and $150/Mo. in utilities (I needed some numbers so I pulled these out of thin air).

Scenario 1: $150,000 plus $20,000 and three months to make it market ready assuming 20% down, 4% interest rate, 30 year fixed.

Remember that it will take you 3 months to make it market ready so you will lose 3 months of rent in this scenario.

Scenario 2: $200,000 and ready to rent immediately with financing terms as shown above.

The above is an over simplification in many ways but I believe the basic concept is correct. From the above numbers, you may be better off buying a property in better condition for more. You will have some advantage in that your monthly debt service will be lower in Scenario 1 but the time to recover the difference is estimated as follows:

Payment Savings

Cost to Market Ready

Rent loss while making the property market ready: $1000x3=$3000

Rental Period to recover additional cost if the rent is $1000/Mo.:

Recovery Period (Mo.) = (10000+3000) / 191 = 68 Mo. or 5.6 Yrs.

In summary, when you are comparing buying a property that needs a lot of rehab, you have to consider the total costs involved when compared to buying a property in better condition. In Las Vegas, we typically reject any property that requires more than $5,000 in rehab unless there are special circumstances.

On buying properties for future gain (equity), I created a cartoon that I send to clients considering this path.

Eric thank you so much for your time and Input I will be analyzing further. Comic strip was great! Hopefully catch up with you again wish you luck In your journeys

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