Advice for Rental Analysis - Cap Rate & Cash on Cash?

Advice for Rental Analysis - Cap Rate & Cash on Cash?

Carmel, IN · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 5 votes

Hi all, I'm just starting out here and attended a few webinars thus far. My interest lies in buy and holds so that I can rent out a multi-family unit in the near future for my first investment property. I'm trying to get the hang of crunching numbers and what to look for. I am looking at essentially using equity within my primary residence (HELOC) to purchase whatever MFU I go after. When it comes to "cash to close," do you consider the HELOC amount (say $60k or $70k as my purchase price & HELOC amount) as "cash to close?" Typically HELOC purchases are treated as cash come time to close at the title company, but it's not like I'm dipping into my savings account to purchase. I just want to ensure I'm getting my cap rate and cash on cash analysis correct. Trying to steer clear of using 25% down (from HELOC) and then finding a 1st mortgage (I'd have two mortgages on the property then) as I feel it would eat pretty quickly into my cash flow, obviously. Thanks for any assistance! Chad

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Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
8y

@Chad Meyer The 'Cash to Close' is the amount of money you need to bring to the table to get the title. With a HELOC you are in effect buying for cash so you'll need the purchase price, plus closing costs, HELOC fees, wire fees, back taxes ect.

If this was my area, I'd expect cash to close to be around $81K-$82k.

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  • Investor · Chattanooga, TN · Member since 2016 · 676 posts · 543 votes
    8y

    So if I understand correctly you are asking if Heloc money is treated as cash?  The answer is yes as far as the seller and closing company are concerned because you have the ability to write a check for that amount.  However you are correct that you need to consider the cost of that money ie the payment when deciding if purchase makes sense.  There are times when a heloc plus a traditional mortgage makes sense and there are other times when its best not to take any loan the property itself dictates the structure in my opinion

  • Investor · Morrisville, NC · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 673 votes
    8y

    @Chad Meyer I'm not sure I understood exactly what you are asking for. Do you mind rephrasing it ?

  • Carmel, IN · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    @Henri Meli Sorry if I'm making no sense here. I kind of rambled the more I typed. My main question was: When I'm looking at numbers (and say I'm targeting a MFU listed around $80k for instance), if I pay for the multi-family unit using a HELOC from my primary residence, do I load that number into my calculations as "cash to close?" I'm paying for the entire amount of the home using the HELOC.

    Example:

    Purchase price:                      $80,000

    Cash to Close:                        $80,000

    Monthly Rent:                              $900

    Expenses:

    Taxes                                          xxx

    Insurance                                  xxx

    Utilities                                      xxx

    HOA Fees xxx

    Lawn/Snow

    Vacancy

    Repairs

    CapEx

    Prop Management

    Mortgage

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    @Chad Meyer The 'Cash to Close' is the amount of money you need to bring to the table to get the title. With a HELOC you are in effect buying for cash so you'll need the purchase price, plus closing costs, HELOC fees, wire fees, back taxes ect.

    If this was my area, I'd expect cash to close to be around $81K-$82k.

  • Carmel, IN · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    @Bill F. Thank you - that's exactly what I was assuming.  I'm on the right track then to include all that in my calculations and truly list all that under the 'cash to close' number.  Thanks!

  • Investor · Morrisville, NC · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 673 votes
    8y

    @Chad Meyer Glad you were able to get it answered. 

    Good luck on your deal !!!

  • Burnaby, BC · Member since 2017 · 283 posts · 268 votes
    8y

    https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sou...

    Here's a really good spreadsheet to run ROI numbers and you can tinker with it and adjust as needed.

    HELOC interest would just be another expense - I calculate the monthly interest I would have to pay for the HELOC amount for the property and plug it in to see how it affects my monthly cashflow

  • Carmel, IN · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    @James Ma - thank you!

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