Is this a bad time to start rental property investments?

Is this a bad time to start rental property investments?

Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes

I get a feeling that there are no real opportunities in the single family home market due to below reasons.

Almost 50% of your rent goes away towards expenses like property management, taxes, maintenance, capex, tenant placement and all that stuff.  On top of it, if you end up having issue like roof, eviction, etc you are literally making loss and potentially have negative cash flow for long time. 

Should we even bother looking for investment properties in this stage of the cycle?  I know bigger pockets podcast keep saying there are opportunities, but are they real for average investor in bp?

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Joe VilleneuvePro Member
Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
7y

Good, bad and ugly isn't based on the calendar...it's based on the market you're looking in.  You're just looking in the wrong market.  Not all markets are the same.  Not all markets stay the same.

You invest when it's good, where it's good, because it's good there...not because the overall economy says it's good or bad there,...or then.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Raj Kannan, there are opportunities in every part of the cycle, though not necessarily in every asset type or location.

    Yes, 50% does go towards expenses, but that's partially because you're putting money aside for the inevitable roof replacement, new water heater, etc. That's what CapEx is for.

    What markets are you looking in? What are your investment goals?

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    7y

    Good, bad and ugly isn't based on the calendar...it's based on the market you're looking in.  You're just looking in the wrong market.  Not all markets are the same.  Not all markets stay the same.

    You invest when it's good, where it's good, because it's good there...not because the overall economy says it's good or bad there,...or then.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/697605-retired-at-the-age-of-28-with-a-lambo?page=1#p4119274

    Ask David from the post above.  He started investing in 2016 and is now retired...all during a time period where we answered hundreds of posts just like this one asking if it was too late in the cycle to start.

  • Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    I hope not.  I too, am just starting out and hope to find some financial freedom.  I feel like there always can be good opportunities in bad times and good but I am interested in what the experts say!

  • Midland, NC · Member since 2016 · 89 posts · 41 votes
    7y

    I feel the same way.....but I tend to look at things from a negative stand point. Me and my wife are miserable at what we are doing for a living. Working from 7am to 10PM 7 days a week. We WANT so bad to get into real estate but can't stop working or else life will fall flat (financially) We are scared to get started because what happens if we need the money we've saved for our first house flip deal or rental deal. And low and behold....I got a large tax bill this year for my business that I couldn't pay and had to dip into that savings. Would have been up a creek if we had used the money for what it was intended for. 

    The market moves SO fast around here. If a house looks vacant....it's under renovations the next time I pass it. I don't even have time to write down the address much less inquire about it and the deal has already been done. I can't get my foot in the door because of the pit vipers that do this 24/7 

  • Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Jaysen Medhurst,  i am in california, but was checking to invest in Atlanta area. My friend lives there and so the location.

    Which location do you think is still attractive for cash flow properties?  I am looking at standard 1% per month returns on capital employed

  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Raj Kannan, CA is a tough market. 

    I think you're on the right track with Atlanta. I don't know much about it personally, but choosing a location where you have "boots on the ground" is important.

    Other markets that I've heard good things about are: Charlotte, NC; Huntsville, AL, Nashville, TN. But I have no experience there myself.

  • SACRAMENTO, CA · Member since 2018 · 144 posts · 76 votes
    7y

    @Raj Kannan

    Hey Raj, 

    It is never a bad time to start investing, You just have to find the right market to invest in. Here are a few things I make sure to look for when investing: 

    1. RENT TO VALUE RATIO. This is the biggest determinant of cash flow. Make this your benchmark when you search for new markets if your goal is to be a cash-flow investor.

    2. Go for low property taxes and landlord friendly laws. Investor-friendliness and having a positive, low stress OOS experience go hand-in-hand. 

    3. A property manager who can educate you on a market, help you form a strategy, fit right into your due diligence process, and execute on a clear takeover game plan as soon as you hold title.

    There are many good investment properties with great cash flow even after all expenses are calcuated. You just have to find the right market that fits into your strategy. Keep looking and doing your research 

    Good luck:) 

  • Mike D'ArrigoPro Member
    Turn key provider · San Jose, CA · Member since 2010 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Raj Kannan I'm not clear why you feel it's a bad time to invest based on the reasons you've given. All of those expenses and risks that you mention exist at any time in any market. That's not going to change. The key is to invest in affordable markets that cash flow and the numbers work. Keep in mind that people have been investing in real estate for generations and were doing so when prices were at their peak and interest rates were much higher than they are today. I wrote a Bigger Pocket blog on this very topic, You can find it herehttps://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3992/83758-is-it-still-a-good-time-to-invest-in-real-estate

  • Real Estate Broker · Northeast PA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    Raj, 

    It is not a good time to invest.  It would have been better 10 or 20 or 30 years ago.  I guess the question really should be: what do you want to have and look back on 30 years from now?

  • Investor · Taylor Mill, KY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 964 votes
    7y

    @Raj Kannan Welcome to BP! If you feel SF is not a good strategy, there are many other asset classes of real estate to invest in.

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    7y

    It is a bad time, and tomorrow will be worse, and the day after that worse, next year even worse, year after that will be even worse.

  • Real Estate Broker · Bay Area · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    Hi Raj,

    You said, "I get a feeling that there are no real opportunities in the single-family home market due to below reasons".

    What that tells me is, you don't know what you are doing.  Focus on leveling up your investing game and learn how to analyze, find, and buy rentals.   Cycles matter but not to the extent that you think it does. Money is made in up, down, and sideways markets. There is always deal to be had. 

    It's always a bad time to invest in any market cycle if you don't know what you are doing. 

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2019 · 499 posts · 259 votes
    7y

    @Raj Kannan Take action my friend. Like a lot members already said on here, there is no bad time to invest. I believe that there are good times and great times. Focus on a market and get educated. This is a long term play. People that bought at peaks decades ago are doing fine now if they held onto that property.

  • Los Angeles · Member since 2018 · 466 posts · 471 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Marc Winter:

    Raj, 

    It is not a good time to invest.  It would have been better 10 or 20 or 30 years ago.  I guess the question really should be: what do you want to have and look back on 30 years from now?

    Isn't there some old saying that the best way to get a tree is to plant it 20 years ago, and the second best time is to plant it right now?

  • Investor · Biddeford, ME · Member since 2017 · 282 posts · 180 votes
    7y

    If you buy right, it's always a good time.  If you buy wrong, it's never a good time!

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    7y

    Chinese proverb: The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago. The second best time is today.

    There's never a "bad" market. You have to learn how to make money in the market that you have today. Keep working on your education and building your financial foundation while you figure out your niche.

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  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

    It is a bad time, and tomorrow will be worse, and the day after that worse, next year even worse, year after that will be even worse.

    You are getting creative with your answer...101 ways to answer this repeat question.

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