Typical hard money lending rates

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Typical hard money lending rates

John W.
Rental Property Investor · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 257 posts · 130 votes

What are the typical rates one could expect on hard money loans for short term flips and also for buy and hold investors. I know they vary quite a bit depending on your experience/relationship/reputation etc, but I'm looking for some general numbers. I am thinking about lending in my area to flippers or buy and hold investors that need a short term loan.

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-John 

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Kerry Boyle
Lender · Bethesda MD · Member since 2017 · 283 posts · 123 votes
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Rates are typically 9-12% 2-4 points for hard money acquisition+rehab loans. 

States with judicial foreclosures tend to be a bit higher, and California (and most west coast states) tend to be a bit lower. 

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  • John Thedford
    Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    what is the norm in your market? what are you hoping for? I see rates all over the place.

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  • Kerry Boyle
    Lender · Bethesda MD · Member since 2017 · 283 posts · 123 votes
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    Rates are typically 9-12% 2-4 points for hard money acquisition+rehab loans. 

    States with judicial foreclosures tend to be a bit higher, and California (and most west coast states) tend to be a bit lower. 

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  • Jo-Ann LapinPro Member
    Loan Officer · Tustin, CA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 713 votes
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    We typically run from 5.99 to 12%.

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  • Joseph M.
    Flipper/Rehabber · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 732 votes
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    Jesse Goldberg , what is the private SBA loan ? I know there are SBA loans to purchase owner occupied real estate I believe the owner has to occupy at least 51% of the space is this something similar?
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  • Jesse Goldberg
    Lender · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2017 · 76 posts · 14 votes
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    @Joseph M. Yes, it's a similar program that banks offer, but we have made a private SBA product, meaning we take the position of the bank and capital and it is still backed by the SBA. The property can be non-owner occupied, but for owner-occupied properties, it is similar and does have the same 51% requirement. 

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  • John W.
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    Rental Property Investor · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 257 posts · 130 votes
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    Thanks everyone, very helpful.
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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    @Jesse Goldberg  private SBA loans...@Joseph M.  never heard of that.. 

    so are you saying the government is backing your private loans like a standard SBA loan.. ??

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Be advised from a local attorney on the foreclosure rules in NY  NJ  once I learned what those are I simply would never loan there.. to many other markets were the default and foreclosure works so much faster.. in those states its measured in years .. I like working in markets that are measured in months... you have a loan go bad and take 1 to 3 years to foreclose and by the time you got it back you are usually taking a pretty serious loss

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    @Jesse Goldberg  also we have talked about this before you can't advertise as a lender without being licensed either NMLS, or BRE broker license or CF license and it must be  on all your adds or internet communications.. which its not on your sig line or in your bio.. so your in violation.

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  • Jesse Goldberg
    Lender · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2017 · 76 posts · 14 votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @Jesse Goldberg  also we have talked about this before you can't advertise as a lender without being licensed either NMLS, or BRE broker license or CF license and it must be  on all your adds or internet communications.. which its not on your sig line or in your bio.. so your in violation.

     Thanks for your input, but we are completely within our rights to advertise as a lender for private money.

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  • Jesse Goldberg
    Lender · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2017 · 76 posts · 14 votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @Jesse Goldberg  private SBA loans...@Joseph M.  never heard of that.. 

    so are you saying the government is backing your private loans like a standard SBA loan.. ??

    Yes, the SBA is backing the loan and only a couple of private lenders are currently doing it to my knowledge. 

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    @Jesse Goldberg  not to argue with you but your completely wrong.. LOL.. I guess someone will just have to file a complaint and you can take it up with the BRE

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  • Jesse Goldberg
    Lender · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2017 · 76 posts · 14 votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @Jesse Goldberg  not to argue with you but your completely wrong.. LOL.. I guess someone will just have to file a complaint and you can take it up with the BRE

     I am fully aware of section 1026.24, but you are welcome to follow through with that, as we are in compliance. 

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  • Michael Noto
    Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    This is very much market based and even more than that is based on experience and relationships. When we first started flipping in Connecticut our first hard money loan was 14% interest only, 5 points, 6 month term, 20% down on the purchase price. The only positive about a loan scenario like that is in order for the numbers to work it has to be a really good deal. At the time we were just excited someone would be willing to loan us money with no experience. 

    Now our terms, rates, etc are substantially better but we have done 15-20 projects total between me and my business partner with the HML we use who is different than the one who financed our first deal.

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  • Sam Shueh
    Real Estate Agent · Cupertino, CA · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    50-50 with your name in second place.  9% interest.

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  • Scot Howat
    Investor · Hoffman Estates, IL · Member since 2014 · 434 posts · 185 votes
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    12-14% with 2-4 points.  You can find that all day.

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  • Liz Daigle
    Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 15 posts · 8 votes
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    In Denver the lowest I have seen is 8%, 2% upfront and can go upwards of 14%.

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  • Yonah WeissPro Member
    Cost Segregation Expert and Investor · Lakewood, NJ · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    If anyone is still looking I used a great HML in NJ 12% +2pts. Very smooth process.

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  • Veronica Frieling
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 37 posts · 14 votes
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    We're from 8.58-12% 2-4 pts net up to 70% LT V

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