Bought in a Fire Prone Area, should we sell and consider renting?

Bought in a Fire Prone Area, should we sell and consider renting?

Oakland, CA · Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 6 votes

Hello community,

We have purchased a home in Nevada City, California that is currently a cash flowing rental, until it becomes our primary home in 1.5 years when our family relocates to the area. The good news is that it will still serve as a house hack when we move, as there are multiple units on the property.

Our concern is that it is in a high fire prone area. We knew this when purchasing a year ago, but because our family has committed to the area we moved forward with the great opportunity when it came up. Given the renewed concern of fire following LA’s fires and the potential insurance consequences, we have begun discussing the potential of reconsidering owning in the area. Here’s why:

Putting aside the actual physical danger of living in a fire prone area. These are the financial concerns:

1. The home burns and the incredibly over taxed CA FAIR plan has either gone bankrupt or takes years to pay out.

2. The home doesn’t burn but the surrounding neighborhoods and town does, severely decreasing the value of our home

3. Insurance is dropped, which is a very real trend these days, and we have an uninsured home that cannot sell. 

We are considering taking a 2-5 year risk of owning the home to collect on appreciation since prices are stagnant right now, and pray fire doesn’t take it. But then moving to actually renting while our children finish school and investing out of state instead. 

I’m writing to get general thoughts on this situation. Is anyone else in climate impacted areas experiencing a similar question of whether to get out? Is it worth waiting the 2-5 years? 

Thank you!

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Realtor and Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
1y

Your concerns are completely valid.  @Fetch Phoenix

I'll add something that may apply....your current policy may already exclude wind and/or fire, which means that you could already be without protection.  Wind is one of the subtle items that Insurance companies are starting to exclude.  It gets tricky because wind can be argued as the cause for almost anything, besides water.

Is there a way to complete some preventative measures like cutting trees back around the property...?  I know it won't help if 100 mile an hour winds come like in LA, but perhaps it could be a start..??

Funny thought...they make interior fire sprinklers.  I wonder why they don't make roofline sprinklers or some other product like that.  Indoor sprinklers are so effective.  It seems like there ought to be a way to do it.

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  • Realtor and Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    Your concerns are completely valid.  @Fetch Phoenix

    I'll add something that may apply....your current policy may already exclude wind and/or fire, which means that you could already be without protection.  Wind is one of the subtle items that Insurance companies are starting to exclude.  It gets tricky because wind can be argued as the cause for almost anything, besides water.

    Is there a way to complete some preventative measures like cutting trees back around the property...?  I know it won't help if 100 mile an hour winds come like in LA, but perhaps it could be a start..??

    Funny thought...they make interior fire sprinklers.  I wonder why they don't make roofline sprinklers or some other product like that.  Indoor sprinklers are so effective.  It seems like there ought to be a way to do it.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y

    OP

    I would assess your fire potential first.  

    Buildings and terrain around you?

    Your roof and exterior material?

    Yours and neighbor landscaping?

    Do you have a pool?

    Geographically locally where is your house in the landscaping?  

    Etc.  

    Then make your decision based on information.  

  • Bradley BuxtonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · NV · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 714 votes
    1y

    @Fetch Phoenix

    Talk with your insurance agent. They will be able to update you on what you need to do to help fire proof your home, and if there are any other options to lower insurance like external fire sprinklers, sealing up, attic vents, defensible space, etc. If you can involve the local fire department to help with defensible space as a start. 

    Insurance is now a big factor in the expenses of investment properties, even here in Reno, NV there are areas that have had large increases for single and multifamily properties. These are mostly in the urban interface areas. Insurers are looking at more than terrain, it's building, materials, electrical, plumbing, and roofs. 

  • Oakland, CA · Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 6 votes
    1y

    Thanks @Cara Lonsdale, @Henry Clark, and @Bradley Buxton. 

    We'll double check that wind is included in our policy, that's a good point. Regarding fire prevention, luckily, we're members of the local community organization that provides a Firewise assessment to members. We were able to get a full assessment with suggestions to improve the terrain and building in order to support fire prevention. Of course, if a canopy fire comes through there's not much that can be done - but we did what we could. 

    What I'm gathering from these responses is not necessarily an encouragement to sell and that instead to take precautions to decrease the fire risk and ensure that insurance is covering things like wind. And also that rates are just going to continue to be an issue, so it's likely something to plan for in rent rates and/or overall investment costs. 

    Thanks again!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    I've been on the western slope for over 30 yrs.

    I built my primary, its; Slab on grade, stucco, concrete roof, painted with E-84n roof soffits and tailings fire caulk (anti-ember) vulcan fire vents, 4 car wide concrete driveway, extra large house numbers, red 3/4" hoses on reals @every corner, completely denuded of vegetation 100ft. Off grid ground mount solar, battery generator, propane n septic. Even with all that it could burn down. 

    Insurance is still an annual dog fight via my broker.

    Read your policy very carefully, consider replacement costs will probably be higher than estimates

    Resiliency is a requirement here.

    As far as sell or not....it'll depend on your determination to be here.

    This ain't the burbs of the bay area.

    Prepping for heavy rain right now.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y

    OP. Not saying anything about selling or not.   Just get mire info.  If you have a swimming pool check out the water pump system with aerial hoses.  

  • Real Estate Broker · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2021 · 517 posts · 408 votes
    1y

    You can't put a price on peace of mind. If your gut tells you to get out, get out. Or if your gut tells you that your family will be happy in this new location, then follow that instinct! None of us are prognosticators.

  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles · Member since 2024 · 17 posts · 5 votes
    1y

    Really hard to say, I live and sell in a fire zone in Los Angeles and insurance has been a nightmare. No real clarity on what's going to happen beyond it becoming even more expensive.

    I have heard from people I know near the fires (including one who's house is the only one left on his block in the Palisades and one in a similar situation in Altadena) that smoke damage was not covered by their fire insurance..

    Hard to say what I'd do in your shoes since it sounds like it's more than a financial investment. One important question I'm sure you've asked yourself is are you comfortable with the risks if you lived there. As an investment, I think insurance cost escalation is a bad situation looking to get worse... 

    Being in a Firewise community is great. Has that helped your insurance affordability?

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