Corporate Relocation...Do I keep my house to rent or sell it?

Corporate Relocation...Do I keep my house to rent or sell it?

Member since 2018 · 82 posts · 16 votes

So I'm looking to take a job that comes with a pretty kush relocation package. I'm torn on the idea of selling my house or holding it for a rental and appreciation in equity. Curious what this forum thinks.

Details below.

The House

  1. - I live in Austin, TX. A hot market. Home purchased 2016 for $545k w/ 20% down. Mortgage=$3k/mo, $386k remaining @ 3.25% (includes property taxes and property insurance.), also no HOA.
  2. - the home is in the NW austin area....Cedar park/Balcones/RoundRock/Leander area... Big plans for upcoming developments (Domain North) and employers (Apple Campus).
  3. - The home is a 4br/2ba with a great yard, 1/3 acre, in an all 10/10 school district (BVS) (elem, mid, high), backing up to a golf course, so it feels like a bigger space.
  4. - Zillow estimates currently @ $650k.

The Relo:

  1. - pays sellers closing costs, including the full 6% realtor fees if I sell my house.
  2. - pays the buyers closing costs, up to 2.5% if I buy a house at new location.
  3. - I have up to 1 year to utilize the benefits, so I could totally rent out my place and then sell next year.

So any input here? Capturing that 6% sellers fee seems HUGE, but I'm worried that if I ever do move back to this neighborhood, I would be priced out and unable to buy in. I think I could rent out my house pretty easily in the $3k/mo range. How do I help make this decision?

side note: the new location is Boise, so another hot RE market.

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Sunnyvale, CA · Member since 2018 · 191 posts · 178 votes
6y

@Adam L. it seems like most people are forgetting about appreciation. Your home gained approximately 100k in 4 years. I don’t know if that’s something cashflow would have gotten you. David Greene uses this example all the time and more recently so on recent podcasts.

I believe Austin is one of the hottest markets.

Can you afford to pay for the Austin residence?

My parents bought their house back in 2002 in Sunnyvale, CA (next to San Jose/Bay Area) for 500k, now it’s listed on Zillow for 1.7mil and houses go for over asking here. They can comfortably retire now. What made it go up like crazy was the development of the new Apple HQ, their house is 1 block away. That news made my Parents property double. Not bragging but my belief is Jobs = rising prices. So if there really is development (and I know Austin is like “HQ2” for Apple) I like the idea of holding for the long run. IF YOU CAN ADDORD IT. No need to struggle.

You found your way to BP so I would hope your interested in becoming an investor. If you hold onto it, you can 1031 later. It might get messy timing wise with your relocation bonus but something for you to weigh.

I recently moved across the country from CA > PA and not that I don’t like my neighborhood, but my fiancé would have wanted something different. Do you know the exact neighborhood where you’d want to relocate too? Have you visited before? These are somethings renting can figure out for you. Just some food for thought :)

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  • Investor · Beaumont, TX · Member since 2016 · 171 posts · 277 votes
    6y

    In any other market I would tell you to sell.  But this is Austin. And a prime part of Austin that's set for more growth than any other part of Austin.  All the data points to Austin now like SF or NY in 1970. 

    I know you're not supposed to hedge completely on appreciation, but if your renter can cover PITI, I would hold and wait. Austin is not like the rest of the country. Cushman and Wakefield's report of the decade and forecasting 2030 has Austin outperforming all US cities by a landslide. Tesla is rumored to be moving to Austin right now.

    Any other market I would sell. Austin is a buy and don't let go.  No one ever got truly wealthy off cash flow, they got it from appreciation.

  • Sunnyvale, CA · Member since 2018 · 191 posts · 178 votes
    6y

    @Jordan Moorhead right. I guess the thought was if you keep the house near Austin, you’d convert your primary into a rental. Let’s say you decide you want to stay in Boise permanently after the relocation deadline passes, you should be able to 1031 after having converted your primary to a rental when you first moved. You could relocate your investment from Austin to Boise or oos or simply keep it.

    If you want to stick to the appreciation play, you want time on your side. It took my dad 18 years. Even with the stock market, you want a long investing time horizon. Who knows what’s going to happen in a year or two but if you lived in a desirable neighborhood, it should go up in the long run.

    I don’t live in the neighborhood I invest in. I’ll be able to 1031 those as those will be rentals from day 1.

  • Jordan MoorheadBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    @Steven Ko definitely hire a 1031 intermediary, you want to be careful not to break any of the rules

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2010 · 32 posts · 29 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Adam L.:
    Originally posted by @Sara Liskey:

    @Adam L Sell it! If the rent is 3k on a 545k value, that is a .55 rent to value ratio. You can sell and invest in places with a rent to value ratio of .8-1%, with much lower taxes, that will cash flow nicely.

     I agree here too. Its definitely not a good 'rental' or 'investment' property in terms of cash flow....but there's the appreciation and equity and emotional factors to consider. It's a tough call.

    I totally get it. I have an emotional property too. Lol. It comes with an opportunity cost but I have Relatively low debt on it and good cash flow. Not to mention the timing. We are in uncharted territory right now. Not a good time to have a Highly leveraged rental property that does not make sense. If your tenant does not pay, you’re left carrying the bag. 


  • Wholesaler · Dayton, OH · Member since 2013 · 172 posts · 16 votes
    6y

    In that area of town you might get a bidding war started. I would sell. 

  • Member since 2018 · 82 posts · 16 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Trevor Rutherford:

    In that area of town you might get a bidding war started. I would sell. 

    definitely possible. The house across the street is an interesting story. Grandma died, hadn't fixed up the house in 25 years, the kids sat on the house for more than 1 year. My parents even tried buying it from them, but they didn't budge. Finally, the kids gave up and sold to a flipper for $450ish....the flipper then did their work and flipped it for ~$750ish....and now less than 1 year later, the family that bought it is moving out of state and just sold it (unlisted) for $850+...and its smaller than our house.

  • Real Estate Coach · WI · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 30 votes
    6y
    My brother was in a very similar situation. It's really easy to see that it doesn't cash flow with management but that's now the end of the story...

    He had a 15 year VA loan and had about 12 years left to pay on it.  His rent was going to be about $200 less a month than costs including management.  His house at the time was worth about $180,000 and I think he owed about $150,000.  

    This is how I convinced him it was a good idea to keep it...
    Cost per month =$200
    Cost per year = $2400
    12 years = $28,800 (if rents remained the same for the duration of the mortgage)

    If his house did not appreciate AT ALL in 12 years, and rents stayed the same, his tenants would have paid off $121,200 ($150,000-$28,800) of his mortgage and it would be a free and clear property.  And that was with zero appreciation.
    So, figure out those numbers and add the 6% that is gifted from the company.  Then decide.

    He ultimately kept it and is incredibly thankful that he did (despite one of the tenants having a huge house fire from a heater they were running in a camper in the driveway - it was covered by insurance).

    He only has a few years left to pay on that first mortgage and the house is now worth about $220,000 (up $40,000).

    He was also able to use the equity from that one as a down payment to buy a short term vacation rental in Hawaii and is once again taping into it to buy land to build his dream home.

    I know that many people on here push the other side because it doesn't cash flow, but if you already own it, it might just make sense to keep it?
  • Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 12 votes
    6y

    I would SELL, mainly because of the TAXES. If you sell now then all the profit will be tax FREE since you lived in it for 2+ years. If you turn it into an investment property, then if you decide to sell in a few years you will owe Taxes on the profits. When in real estate investing do you have the opportunity to take the money Tax Free and go? Hope that helps. 

  • Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Perhaps see if you can hook up with some corporate relocation companies for Austin, they might rent for more than $3k and or market the hell out of it to get closer to 4k to executives relocating to Austin. Guys with cash will pay extra to get into 10 school rankings areas, extra 1000 mo no biggie to lock it up. Good luck! 

  • Jessie ReddPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2018 · 57 posts · 26 votes
    6y

    @Adam L.

    It looks like you will loose money on it if you rent it out. Since you lived in it you can avoid capital gains taxes. If I were you I would sell it if I had no plans to move back there at a later time.

  • Member since 2020 · 437 posts · 675 votes
    6y

    It seems to me that the jury is split. Those from cash flow/ low appreciation markets are advising to sell. Those from low cash flow / high appreciation markets are advising to hold on.

    Someone on this thread talked about how “appreciation doesn’t pay the bills”?

    Well, what if people have good jobs and careers and don’t need $300 of extra cash flow per month to make their bills but would rather pick the $150k in appreciation over 3 years? That math is adds to $4000 monthly deferred cash flow.

    Given OPs relo package it seems to me that he belongs to an advanced professional setup with sought after skills. Why should he worry about “cash flowing to pay bills”?

  • Property Manager · Henderson, NV · Member since 2018 · 501 posts · 317 votes
    6y

    If you ever plan to sell the house then now would be a good time to avoid a good portion of the transactional expense.  I personally will not buy a house unless I plan to keep it as a long-term rental or to eventually live in.  Otherwise, its just speculating on appreciation.  

    If you do decide to rent the property I would make sure that you have plenty of reserves and feel comfortable with making the mortgage payments during a time of high vacancy. 

  • Member since 2020 · 10 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    @Adam L.you could sell it yourself and just pay for conveyancing fees and keep the 6% real estate fees there are plenty of online platforms that enable you to do this these day , you have just got to be able to stand your ground on what you’re willing to except price wise and not take low balling price offers to heart , which you will get . Or try and rent by the month and see where you are in 3 or 6 months to time if not happy sell . I am assuming since you have been living there cost of any repairs should be minimal for a while .

  • Bill SchrimpfBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Reno, NV · Member since 2014 · 353 posts · 189 votes
    6y

    Sounds like you need to decide if you are an investor or not. Look it up here

    Having relo cover 6% selling costs is a $39,000 cherry on top of a ~$100,000 equity cake. Are you an investor or a homeowner? You are the only one that can really decide.

    If you can get yourself in a situation with $200k+ in the bank, Boise might offer some very interesting deals in the coming months and year.  Couple that cash with a good job, decent credit and your in a very strong position.

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  • Member since 2018 · 82 posts · 16 votes
    6y

    One thing I'm curious about and unsure of how it works, is how to leverage and utilize equity of my current house to then purchase a new house in Boise.

    How do I do this without needing $100k down payment?

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