All
Members
Companies
Blog
Forums
Podcast
Webinars
    User Log in  /  Sign up
  • Forums
    Newest Posts Trending Discussions Followed Forums Real Estate News & Current Events General Landlording & Rental Properties Buying & Selling Real Estate Deal Analysis See All
  • Education

    Read

    BiggerPockets Blog BPInsights: Expert Analysis Coronavirus Content & Resources Guides Glossary Reviews Member Blogs

    Watch

    Webinars Video Library Financial Independence Blueprint Intro to Real Estate: Rentals

    Listen

    BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast BiggerPockets Money Podcast BiggerPockets Business Podcast Real Estate Rookie Podcast Daily Podcast (Audio Blog)

    Topics

    Business Operations Finance Finding Deals Property Management Property Types Strategy
  • Network

    Recommended Vendors

    Real Estate Agents Mortgage Lenders Companies Hard Money Lenders Contractors Investment Companies

    Search

    Members Events Jobs
  • Tools

    Calculators

    Rental Property Fix and Flip BRRRR Rehab Estimator
    Wholesaling Mortgage Payment 70% Rule Airbnb

    Services

    BPInsights: Property Insights Tenant Screening Property Management Lease Agreement Packages

    New Feature

    BPInsights (beta)

    Quickly analyze a property address or ZIP Code to compare your rent in your neighborhood.

    Analyze a property
  • Find Deals
    Real Estate Listings Find Foreclosures External Link Ads, Jobs, and Other
  • Bookstore

    Real Estate Books

    Profit Like The Pros Bidding to Buy See all books

    Featured Book

    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine book cover
    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine

    Written by financial journalists and data scientists, get 60+ pages of newsworthy content, expert-driven advice, and data-backed research written in a clear way to help you navigate your tough investment decisions in an ever-changing financial climate! Subscribe today and get the Oct/Nov issue delivered to your door!

    Get the Magazine
  • Pricing
Log In Sign up
User
Quick search links
Podcast Hard Money Lenders Books Washington
ForumsArrowCommercial Real Estate Investing ForumArrowBusiness Owners "rent-hacking" commercial property?
  • Newest Posts
    • Newest Posts
    • Unanswered Discussions
  • Trending
    • Top Discussions
    • Trending Discussions
  • Browse Forums
Search Nova
Topic: 1031 Exchanges Topic: Akron Real Estate Forum Topic: Alabama Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Alaska Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Alberta Real Estate Forum Topic: Albuquerque Topic: Allentown Real Estate Forum Topic: Anchorage Real Estate Forum Topic: Ann Arbor Topic: Arizona Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Arkansas Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Arlington Real Estate Forum Topic: Asheville NC Real Estate Forum Topic: Ask About A Real Estate Company Topic: Athens Real Estate Forum Topic: Atlanta Real Estate Forum Topic: Aurora Real Estate Forum Topic: Aurora Real Estate Forum Topic: Austin Real Estate Forum Topic: Bakersfield Real Estate Forum Topic: Baltimore Real Estate Forum Topic: Bankers, Lenders, and Mortgage Brokers Topic: Baton Rouge Real Estate Forum Topic: Beaverton Real Estate Forum Topic: BiggerPockets Business Podcast Topic: BiggerPockets Exclusive PRO Area Topic: BiggerPockets Money Podcast Topic: BiggerPockets Real Estate Investing Summit Topic: BiggerPockets Summer Reading List Topic: BiggerPockets Webinar Discussion Forum Topic: Billings Real Estate Forum Topic: Birmingham Real Estate Forum Topic: Bismarck Real Estate Forum Topic: Boise Real Estate Forum Topic: Boston Real Estate Forum Topic: Bridgeport Real Estate Forum Topic: British Columbia Real Estate Forum Topic: BRRRR - Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat Topic: Buying & Selling Real Estate Discussion Topic: California Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Cambridge Real Estate Forum Topic: Canadian Real Estate Topic: Cape Cod Real Estate Forum Topic: Cape Coral Real Estate Forum Topic: Casper Real Estate Forum Topic: Cedar Rapids Real Estate Forum Topic: Chandler Real Estate Forum Topic: Charleston Real Estate Forum Topic: Charleston Real Estate Forum Topic: Charlotte Real Estate Forum Topic: Chattanooga Real Estate Forum Topic: Chesapeake Real Estate Forum Topic: Cheyenne Real Estate Forum Topic: Chicago Real Estate Forum Topic: Chittenden County Real Estate Forum Topic: Cincinnati Real Estate Forum Topic: Cleveland Real Estate Forum Topic: Coastal NC Real Estate Forum Topic: Colorado Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Colorado Springs Real Estate Forum Topic: Columbia Real Estate Forum Topic: Columbia Real Estate Forum Topic: Columbus Real Estate Forum Topic: Columbus Real Estate Forum Topic: Commercial Real Estate Investing Forum Topic: Completed Deal Diaries Topic: Connecticut Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Construction & Remodeling Diaries Topic: Contractors Topic: Conway Real Estate Forum Topic: Coronavirus Conversation Topic: Coronavirus Government Assistance Programs Topic: Creative Real Estate Financing Forum Topic: Currently Under Contract Topic: Dallas Real Estate Forum Topic: Davenport Real Estate Forum Topic: Dayton Real Estate Forum Topic: Delaware Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Denver Real Estate Forum Topic: Des Moines Real Estate Forum Topic: Detroit Real Estate Forum Topic: Do it Yourself Topic: El Paso Real Estate Forum Topic: Eugene Real Estate Forum Topic: Evansville Real Estate Forum Topic: FAQ Forum Topic: Fargo Topic: Fayetteville Real Estate Forum Topic: First Time Home Buyer Topic: Florida Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Foreigners Buying in the USA Topic: Fort Collins Real Estate Forum Topic: Fort Lauderdale Real Estate Forum Topic: Fort Smith Real Estate Forum Topic: Fort Wayne Real Estate Forum Topic: Fort Worth Real Estate Forum Topic: Fresno Real Estate Forum Topic: General Foreclosure & Pre-Foreclosure Forums Topic: General Landlording & Rental Properties Topic: General Real Estate Investing Topic: Georgia Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Germantown Real Estate Forum Topic: Get Foreclosure Help - Stop Foreclosure Forum Topic: Gilbert Real Estate Forum Topic: Glendale Real Estate Forum Topic: Goals, Business Plans & Entities Topic: Grand Rapids Real Estate Forum Topic: Green Bay Topic: Greensboro Real Estate Forum Topic: Hammond Real Estate Forum Topic: Hartford Real Estate Forum Topic: Hawaii Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Henderson Real Estate Forum Topic: Hialeah Real Estate Forum Topic: Hilo Real Estate Forum Topic: Home Owner Association (HOA) Issues & Problems Forum Topic: Honolulu Real Estate Forum Topic: Housing News & Real Estate Market Discussions Topic: Houston Real Estate Forum Topic: HUD, VA, and Tax Sales Topic: Huntington Real Estate Forum Topic: Huntsville Real Estate Forum Topic: Idaho Falls Real Estate Forum Topic: Idaho Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Illinois Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Indianapolis Real Estate Forum Topic: Indiana Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Innovative Strategies Topic: Interest Rate Drops Topic: International Real Estate Topic: Investor Deal Diaries Topic: Investor Psychology Topic: Iowa Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Jackson Real Estate Forum Topic: Jacksonville Real Estate Forum Topic: Jersey City Real Estate Forum Topic: Job Loss/Company Closings Topic: Joliet Real Estate Forum Topic: Jonesboro Real Estate Forum Topic: Kailua Real Estate Forum Topic: Kānèohe Real Estate Forum Topic: Kansas City Real Estate Forum Topic: Kansas City Real Estate Forum Topic: Kansas Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Kentucky Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Knoxville Real Estate Forum Topic: Lakewood Real Estate Forum Topic: Landlord Problem Solving Topic: Las Cruces Real Estate Forum Topic: Las Vegas Real Estate Forum Topic: Lewiston Real Estate Forum Topic: Lexington-Fayette Real Estate Forum Topic: Lincoln Real Estate Forum Topic: Little Rock Real Estate Forum Topic: Local Real Estate Networking Topic: Long Beach Real Estate Forum Topic: Long Island Real Estate Forum Topic: Los Angeles County Real Estate Forum Topic: Louisiana Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Louisville Real Estate Forum Topic: Madison Real Estate Forum Topic: Maine Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Managing Your Property Topic: Manchester Real Estate Forum Topic: Manitoba Topic: Marketing Your Rental Topic: Marketplace Topic: Maryland Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Massachusetts Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Meads Real Estate Forum Topic: Memphis Real Estate Forum Topic: Meridian Real Estate Forum Topic: Mesa Real Estate Forum Topic: Miami Topic: Michigan Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Military Investing Topic: Milwaukee Real Estate Forum Topic: Minneapolis Real Estate Forum Topic: Minnesota Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Mississippi Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Missoula Real Estate Forum Topic: Missouri Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Mobile (Alabama) Real Estate Forum Topic: Mobile Homes & Mobile Home Park Investing Topic: Modesto/Merced Real Estate Forum Topic: Montana Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Montgomery Real Estate Forum Topic: Mortgage Payment Suspension Topic: Mt. Pleasant Real Estate Forum Topic: Multi-Family and Apartment Investing Forums Topic: Nampa Real Estate Forum Topic: Naperville Real Estate Forum Topic: Nashville Real Estate Forum Topic: Nebraska Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Nevada Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Newark Real Estate Forum Topic: New Brunswick Real Estate Forum Topic: Newfoundland and Labrador Real Estate Forum Topic: New Hampshire Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: New Haven Real Estate Forum Topic: New Jersey Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: New Member Introductions Topic: New Mexico Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: New Orleans Real Estate Forum Topic: New York City Real Estate Forum Topic: New York Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Norfolk Real Estate Forum Topic: North Carolina Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: North Dakota Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Northwest Territories Real Estate Forum Topic: Norwalk Real Estate Forum Topic: Nova Scotia Real Estate Forum Topic: Nunavut Real Estate Forum Topic: Oakland Real Estate Forum Topic: Off-Topic Topic: Ogden Topic: Ohio Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Oklahoma City Real Estate Forum Topic: Oklahoma Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Omaha Real Estate Forum Topic: Ontario Real Estate Forum Topic: Orange County Real Estate Forum Topic: Oregon Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Orlando Real Estate Forum Topic: Overland Park Real Estate Forum Topic: Pearl City Real Estate Forum Topic: Pennsylvania Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Peoria Real Estate Forum Topic: Personal Finance Forum Topic: Philadelphia Real Estate Forum Topic: Phoenix Real Estate Forum Topic: Pittsburgh Real Estate Forum Topic: Pocatello Real Estate Forum Topic: Portland Real Estate Forum Topic: Portland Real Estate Forum Topic: Prince Edward Island Real Estate Forum Topic: Private Lending & Conventional Mortgage Advice Topic: Property Insurance Questions & Discussions Topic: Providence Real Estate Forum Topic: Provo Real Estate Forum Topic: Quad Cities Real Estate Forum Topic: Quebec Real Estate Forum Topic: Questions About BiggerPockets and Official Site Announcements Topic: Raleigh Real Estate Forum Topic: Rapid City Real Estate Forum Topic: Real Estate Agent Forums Topic: Real Estate Crowdfunding Forums Topic: Real Estate Deal Analysis and Advice Topic: Real Estate Development & New Home Construction Topic: Real Estate Events and Happenings Topic: Real Estate Guru, Book & Course Reviews and Discussions Topic: Real Estate Investor Marketing Help & Advice Topic: Real Estate News & Current Events Topic: Real Estate Not-So-Successful Stories Topic: Real Estate Quizzes Topic: Real Estate Rookie Podcast Topic: Real Estate Success Stories Topic: Real Estate Technology, Social Media & Blogging Topic: Real Estate Wholesaling Questions & Answers Topic: Rehabbing and House Flipping Topic: Reno Real Estate Forum Topic: Renters Discussion Topic: Rent to Own a.k.a. Lease Purchase, Lease Options Topic: REOs Topic: Rhode Island Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Richmond Real Estate Forum Topic: Rio Grande Valley Real Estate Forum Topic: Riverside Real Estate Forum Topic: Rochester Real Estate Forum Topic: Rockford Real Estate Forum Topic: Sacramento Real Estate Forum Topic: Saint Paul Real Estate Forum Topic: Salem Real Estate Forum Topic: Salt Lake City Real Estate Forum Topic: San Antonio Real Estate Forum Topic: San Diego Real Estate Forum Topic: Sandy Springs Real Estate Forum Topic: San Francisco Real Estate Forum Topic: San Jose Real Estate Forum Topic: San Luis Obispo Real Estate Forum Topic: Santa Fe Real Estate Forum Topic: Saskatchewan Real Estate Forum Topic: Savannah Real Estate Forum Topic: Scottsdale Real Estate Forum Topic: Seattle Real Estate Forum Topic: Short Sales Questions Topic: Short-Term and Vacation Rental Discussion Topic: Shreveport Real Estate Forum Topic: Sioux City Real Estate Forum Topic: Sioux Falls Real Estate Forum Topic: South Bend Real Estate Forum Topic: South Carolina Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: South Dakota Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Southeast NC Real Estate Forum Topic: Spokane Real Estate Forum Topic: Springdale Real Estate Forum Topic: Springfield Real Estate Forum Topic: Stamford Real Estate Forum Topic: Starting Out Topic: St. Louis Real Estate Forum Topic: Stockton Real Estate Forum Topic: St. Petersburg Real Estate Forum Topic: STR Strategies Under Travel Restrictions Topic: Surprise Real Estate Forum Topic: Tacoma Real Estate Forum Topic: Tallahassee Real Estate Forum Topic: Tampa Real Estate Forum Topic: Tax, Legal Issues, Contracts, Self-Directed IRA Topic: Tax Liens, Notes, Paper, & Cash Flows Discussion Topic: Tempe Real Estate Forum Topic: Tenant Screening Topic: Tennessee Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Texas Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Thornton Real Estate Forum Topic: Toledo Real Estate Forum Topic: Topeka Real Estate Forum Topic: Tucson Real Estate Forum Topic: Tulsa Real Estate Forum Topic: Tuscaloosa Real Estate Forum Topic: Upstate New York Real Estate Forum Topic: Utah Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Vancouver Real Estate Forum Topic: Vermont Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Virginia Beach Real Estate Forum Topic: Virginia Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Waipahu Real Estate Forum Topic: Waipahu Real Estate Forum Topic: Warren Real Estate Forum Topic: Warwick Real Estate Forum Topic: Washington D.C. Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Washington Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Waterbury Real Estate Forum Topic: Westchester County Real Estate Forum Topic: Western NC Real Estate Forum Topic: West Gulfport Real Estate Forum Topic: West Virginia Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Wichita Real Estate Forum Topic: Wilkes Barre Scranton Real Estate Forum Topic: Wilmington Real Estate Forum Topic: Wisconsin Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Worcester Real Estate Forum Topic: Wyoming Real Estate Q&A Discussion Forum Topic: Yukon Real Estate Forum
Create post

Business Owners "rent-hacking" commercial property?

7 Replies

  • Share on Facebook
  • Share on Twitter
  • Share on LinkedIn
Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 8

Lou LaMedica
Rental Property Investor from Dulles, VA

posted about 2 years ago

Are there any business owners who own their commercial space and "rent hack" the additional space in the building. My lease for my commercial kitchen is up in 4 years and I would like to learn more about this strategy. I am in the Northern Virginia market. I would love to hear any stories or any pointers to begin learning more about this option. Thank you!

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 20

Andrea O.
Rental Property Investor from Sykesville, MD

replied about 2 years ago

@Lou LaMedica I'd love to hear more about other's experiences, too. I bought a property that I'll use as a second office in a new location where I'd like to grow my business in the next several years. I'll rent to a retail tenant on the first floor and one or two additional tenants on the second level (offices). In 3-5 years, I'll consider taking more of the space myself. Cash flow will breakeven with the income from the other tenants, but my business will pay rent to the real estate LLC, so the property will cash flow. In planning for my next real estate acquisition, I'm considering doing this again in another location.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
Check Rosette Top Subjects:
Rentals, Real Estate Finance, and Maintenance
  • Posts 351
  • Votes 235

Bob Langworthy
Accountant from Brunswick, ME

replied about 2 years ago

I'm doing this with a four-office building and my accounting practice. The other three tenants and the parking pay all of the bills and what I pay is the positive cash flow. Works beautifully. It has also allowed for some tax planning opportunities. Office hacking is the way to go!

Hope this helps,

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 8

Lou LaMedica
Rental Property Investor from Dulles, VA

replied about 2 years ago

@Andrea O. Yes that seems like a smart strategy. I am not even worried about the positive cash flow as much as just building equity and having an expense on the business side that would be going back either to me or into the business. Seems like a win win! 

That's awesome @Bob Langworthy ! So did you set up a seperate LLC for your commercial real estate business? How about financing? I am wondering if the SBA can help with something like this?

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
Check Rosette Top Subjects:
Rentals, Real Estate Finance, and Maintenance
  • Posts 351
  • Votes 235

Bob Langworthy
Accountant from Brunswick, ME

replied about 2 years ago

@Lou LaMedica , the real estate is in a separate single member LLC. I have a 20 year commercial note on it, with a 7 year balloon at 4.375%. And yes, an SBA loan can be used to purchase owner-occupied commercial real estate.

Hope this helps,

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
Check Rosette Top Subjects:
Rentals and Maintenance
  • Posts 2.7K
  • Votes 1.0K

Ronald Rohde
Attorney from Dallas, TX

replied about 2 years ago
Originally posted by @Bob Langworthy :

@Lou LaMedica , the real estate is in a separate single member LLC. I have a 20 year commercial note on it, with a 7 year balloon at 4.375%. And yes, an SBA loan can be used to purchase owner-occupied commercial real estate.

Hope this helps,

 Are you occupying 51% of the space? 

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 100
  • Votes 55

Phil Christian
Rental Property Investor from Yorba Linda, CA

replied about 2 years ago

Couple things to consider... 

As a business owner you are in the business of a business.... whether it's selling, manufacturing, producing, servicing, non-profiting, analysising... whatever sector you are in you are probably not in the business of owning real estate. 

First: So consider your internal hurdle rate. If you have 20% profit margins on every dollar you invest into your business is that $1 going to a better use investing in your business or receiving a smaller return in real estate. For simplicity sake, use the down payment required to buy a building as your initial investment which assumes you are paying rent to a landlord elsewhere. 

Second: Which follows after the first... are you using company money or personal money.... meaning are you buying personally (perhaps with a single purpose LLC) in your name and your business is renting back space? This assumes that you are not dipping into company money because your company is healthy and your personal balance sheet is healthy and you need a tax shelter or want to diversify your personal assets.

Third: Do you have monuments with your company in your current space that you need to protect against the unknown market conditions? Monuments = heavy machinery that cannot be moved easily. e.g., Raytheons Tomahawk missiles facility or a restaurant in a particular location that fits your needs. In essence, can you replicate your current setup within a years time with tolerable business interruption or setup capital expense. 

Obviously, that's not all of it... but If you can answer those questions then you are in a position to make an informed decision. 

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 8

Lou LaMedica
Rental Property Investor from Dulles, VA

replied about 2 years ago

@Phil Christian Those are great points and something that another professional mentioned to me. In our case, we are a catering company so we are not dependent on walk-in traffic and we are looking at it as a real estate investment for our family trust, so it will be a single purpose LLC with our business renting back the space.

The other big consideration is growth of the business over time - our agent recommended having a 15-year time line. Our commercial market for smaller spaces (<8,000 sq ft.) is fairly tight at the moment so that would be enough time for proper appreciation as well.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
  • 1
Resources Read, see, and learn more!
Link Real Estate Investment Calculators
Link BiggerPockets Blog
Link Path to Purchase
Link Mortgage Loans
Link Find a Contractor
Link Real Estate Agents
Link Hard Money Lenders
Link Real Estate Listings

Top Contributors

Henry Clark
Henry Clark
IA
10.0
Score
Joel Owens
Joel Owens
Canton, GA
5.11
Score
Bennet Sebastian
Bennet Sebastian
Orlando
2.43
Score
Andrew Rosenberg
Andrew Rosenberg
Honolulu, HI
1.66
Score
Ryan Cleary
Ryan Cleary
Long Beach, NY
1.56
Score

Commercial Real Estate Investing Forum Trending Discussions

  • Passive Income Options
    14 Replies
  • Applying for variance in New Hampshire
    5 Replies
  • Self Storage- Market Cycle
    2 Replies
  • How can I get started in Commercial Real Estate?
    9 Replies
  • Industrial/Flex Property- Day in the Life, Building a Flex Prop
    19 Replies
Log in Sign up

Log in

Forgot password?

If you signed up for BiggerPockets via Facebook, you can log in with just one click!

Log in with Facebook

Or
btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

Let's get started

We just need a few details to get you set up and ready to go!

Use your real name

Use at least 8 characters. Using a phrase of random words (like: paper Dog team blue) is secure and easy to remember.

By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.

Or
btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

Why create an account?

Receive a free digital download of The Ultimate Beginner's Guide to Real Estate Investing.

Connect with 1,000,000+ real estate investors!

Find local real estate meetups and events in your area.

Start analyzing real estate properties, we do the math for you.

It's free!

Explore

  • Membership
  • Community
  • Education
  • Marketplace
  • Tools
  • FilePlace
  • REI Resources
  • Perks
  • Glossary
  • Reviews
  • iOS App
  • Android App

Company

  • About Us
  • Press
  • Advertising
  • Careers
  • Stats
  • Contact Us

Important

  • Editorial Guidelines
  • Terms of Use
  • Rules
  • Privacy
  • FAQ

Social

  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Instagram
© 2004-2021 BiggerPockets, LLC. All Rights Reserved.