Combining IRA funds with non-IRA funds to purchase single property

Combining IRA funds with non-IRA funds to purchase single property

Member since 2022 · 47 posts · 7 votes

I know an IRA can be used to purchase real estate, but can I combine IRA funds with non-IRA funds to buy a single property? I.e. I would see it as a partnership from a tax perspective, with IRA owning a portion, and myself owning the rest. Would be for an investment property, not personal use.

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Greg ScottPro Member
Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
3y

Boom - Sound of an IRA blowing up.

The IRS doesn't want you to be able to create a situation where you could shift taxable dollars to non-taxable dollars.

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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    3y

    Boom - Sound of an IRA blowing up.

    The IRS doesn't want you to be able to create a situation where you could shift taxable dollars to non-taxable dollars.

  • Member since 2022 · 47 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Greg Scott:

    Boom - Sound of an IRA blowing up.

    The IRS doesn't want you to be able to create a situation where you could shift taxable dollars to non-taxable dollars.


     the logic makes sense..even if no definitive code section or reg. addresses this scenario, I see the elevated risk level.  Thanks

  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    3y

    @Dan Cahill

    While it is technically possible in some circumstances to structure such a transaction, in most cases it would be considered "prohibited transaction" in the eyes of IRS, or likely to lead to a prohibited transaction in the future. All transactions involving your IRA must be "arms length" so if you want to sleep at night make sure that you nor any other "disqualified person" is involved in the transition with your IRA. 

  • Member since 2022 · 47 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Dmitriy Fomichenko:

    @Dan Cahill

    While it is technically possible in some circumstances to structure such a transaction, in most cases it would be considered "prohibited transaction" in the eyes of IRS, or likely to lead to a prohibited transaction in the future. All transactions involving your IRA must be "arms length" so if you want to sleep at night make sure that you nor any other "disqualified person" is involved in the transition with your IRA. 


    Agree on probly being more trouble and risk than it's worth. I think if I make any RE investment with IRA funds it will be as an LP instead of direct RE

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    3y

    Yes. Preferably something that’s supposed to bring in income, not appreciate. You don’t want to turn 15% capital gains tax in to max tax rate income. Save appreciation for your regular non-ira funds. The funds you should never have to pay any taxes on. (Exchange and hold and hold and exchange until you die…)

  • Member since 2022 · 47 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bill B.:

    Yes. Preferably something that’s supposed to bring in income, not appreciate. You don’t want to turn 15% capital gains tax in to max tax rate income. Save appreciation for your regular non-ira funds. The funds you should never have to pay any taxes on. (Exchange and hold and hold and exchange until you die…)


    Not 100% sure I follow. are you saying OK to buy a high income generating, low appreciating property with the use of combined Roth IRA/non-IRA funds? and then what about exiting in the future - wouldn't it just be capital gains tax upon sale (or none if I 1031)?

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    3y

    I wouldn't buy any real estate in a retirement account. Real estate is already a tax advantaged investment. BUT, if you insist. You don't want appreciation (something that should be taxed at 15%) to be taxed as regular income. (Which it would if it was in an IRA, resulting in a 50-100% increase in taxes.)

  • Member since 2022 · 47 posts · 7 votes
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    Quote from @Bill B.:

    I wouldn't buy any real estate in a retirement account. Real estate is already a tax advantaged investment. BUT, if you insist. You don't want appreciation (something that should be taxed at 15%) to be taxed as regular income. (Which it would if it was in an IRA, resulting in a 50-100% increase in taxes.)


    Ahh, but it's a Roth IRA. My understanding is the ordinary income tax on self-directed IRA's only applies to traditional IRAs.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    3y

    Very true. Self directed roths with enough to invest in RE instead of stocks is rare. Good job. 

  • Member since 2022 · 47 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bill B.:

    Very true. Self directed roths with enough to invest in RE instead of stocks is rare. Good job. 


     Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · New Braunfels, TX · Member since 2022 · 409 posts · 408 votes
    3y
    SDIRA don’t pay capital gains. It’s ok to have appreciation in SDIRA accounts. So many people talk bad about it, so few people really understand it…. 
  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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    @Account Closed

    I agree they don’t pay capital gains. They pay 100% regular income tax when withdrawn which is higher, often twice as high. That income is also added to your regular income pushing you in to an even higher tax rate than you would be which capital gains do not. So few people really understand that. 

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