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Jeff O'Neal
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My first commercial loan - is this a good deal?

Jeff O'Neal
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Tulsa, OK
Posted Nov 8 2017, 11:09

I'm pursuing the purchase of my first small apartment building (6-units), and I received a commercial loan commitment from the local branch of a mid-sized regional bank.  The details of the loan are as follows:

  • $250,000 purchase price
  • 80% LTV (lessor of the purchase price or the appraisal)
  • 20 year term
  • 4.75% rate fixed for five years, adjusted at each 5 year anniversary to the current 5 year Libor Swap plus 300 basis points
  • 0.5% origination fee
  • Operating checking account maintained with lender

Does this sound like a decent loan?  Is the 5-year adjustment typical?  Should I try to negotiate the origination fee, or is it reasonable?

Thanks in advance for your input!

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Brian Garrett
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Brian Garrett
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Replied Nov 8 2017, 11:13

I can't add much value here other than telling you that all of the commercial lenders I've talked to have higher rates than 4.75% so that part of the deal sounds good. Not sure about the rest of the terms though.

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Dan Wallace
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Dan Wallace
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Replied Nov 8 2017, 22:12

For this size of a project...take the deal.

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Darren Budahn
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Darren Budahn
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Replied Nov 8 2017, 22:28

I would try and get longer amortization to improve cash flow. I️ bought a 6 unit this year and got 4.5%, 30’year amortization, 10 year term, 5 year fixed, 80% LTV fwiw.

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Corbin Marcotte
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Corbin Marcotte
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Replied Jun 20 2018, 11:30

Give Robert Jones @ First Oklahoma Bank a call. 

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Tom S.
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Tom S.
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Replied Jun 20 2018, 12:29

@Jeff O'Neal  Those are pretty good terms.  I noticed this thread is 7 months old, did you end up closing on this?

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Jeff O'Neal
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Jeff O'Neal
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Replied Jun 20 2018, 14:06

@Tom S.  No, I couldn't make the cash flow numbers work after receiving the income statement.  Those broker pro formas always paint a pretty picture!  I'm still working with the same lender, but we've had two rate hikes since then, so we're now up to 5.5% at the same terms.  I'm hoping to land something soon to avoid the two other rate hikes that are scheduled for later this year.

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Tom S.
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Tom S.
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Replied Jun 20 2018, 15:37

@Jeff O'Neal  yes, I hear you, rates are definitely creeping up.  I just received notice today of a rate increase on a few of my commercial loans.  Luckily they're about 12 years into a 20 year term, so I'm paying a good amount of principal at this point.

Good luck to you!

- Tom