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Line of credit for 5x your available cash

Brian Garrett
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Posted Jun 25 2018, 10:06

I've heard about a LOC a few different times that gives you 5x your liquid cash and/or assets.

For example if someone had $100k in their savings account they would have $500k purchase power.

Does anyone know anything about this loan program or have more details on it?

I'm curious to know what the typical rate, term and amortization is on a LOC like this.

I tried searching for the posts that discussed this LOC but I had no like finding them.

If anyone has information or insight they can share it would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Replied Jun 25 2018, 11:23

I think most lines of credit won't have an amortization schedule, because they are meant for frequent smaller purchases, I have no clue about the rate though.

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Brian Garrett
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 12:25
Originally posted by @Aaron K.:

I think most lines of credit won't have an amortization schedule, because they are meant for frequent smaller purchases, I have no clue about the rate though.

Yeah I'm assuming it's a short term product better suited for flips similar to a HELOC.

I thought I saw in a thread here on BP that rates were in the mid 6's or 7's so that's why I'm curious.

Would be a much cheaper alternative to HML and still provide a way to do multiple deals via leverage.

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Replied Jun 25 2018, 12:30

@Brian Garrett it does sound like a good alternative to an HML the only thing I would be curious about is if you have $100k cash I would assume the project would need to be 100% financed because if you spent any of your own money your limit would go down $5 for every $1 you spend.

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Brian Garrett
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 12:52

@Aaron K. I believe anything you spend is just deducted from the total LOC and your payments are based on how much you're actually using similar to a HELOC but I could be completely wrong that's just my understanding of it from the limited information I remember reading. That's why I'm hoping someone with first hand knowledge/experience can chime in to help explain this product, how it works, average rate and term, qualifying metrics, etc.

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Dennis Wasilewski
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 13:12

I’ve met with FoA and spoken with the Lilitz, Pa business manager a handful of times. Feel free to PM and I will share my term sheet with anyone or provide an intro to my contact. I’m still in touch with them but found private lenders that were cheaper & easier to work with at this time.

Here’s the stats -
-$500 to activate line (credited back if deal closes in 90 days) 

- 3.5 % origination fees

- Close to 10% rate

- Each project is reviewed/underwritten by FoA, which could take up to 30 days

- Up to 90% acquisition & rehab, I believe

- Standard draw rules on rehab side
- Line is up to 5x of assets, equity in home, 401k, etc
- Line has to reset to zero once per year

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Brian Garrett
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 13:16

@Dennis Wasilewski Are they the only lender who offers this program? I remember reading the origination fees were much cheaper and more comparable to a HELOC and the rate was much less. That's the only reason I'm interested, lol.

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Dennis Wasilewski
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 13:19

To further clarify, this isn’t a line of credit in traditional sense. It’s basically pre-screening you for your max HMLs.

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Jay Chopra
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 13:20

Hi Dennis,

Can you please PM with details or connect with me. I am seeking private capital or LOC. I am looking at purchaising SFH for $ 45 K Rehab $ 50 K AFV 150 K. Any info / assistance is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Jay 

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Brian Garrett
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 13:22

@Dennis Wasilewski I believe we may be speaking about two different products.

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Dennis Wasilewski
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 14:00

@Brian Garrett  well I don’t think so. It’s just super misleading is all. The Finance of America fix & flip line of credit is just pre-authorizing hard money loans. Each usage still comes with underwriting review, origination & broker fees, as well as a rate closer to 10% than 6% (I was quoted 6.99+ but my terms were for 9.65%). 

I was disappointed and now focusing on building a local relationship to get a LOC based on my equity & assets.

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Brian Garrett
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Replied Jun 25 2018, 14:06

@Dennis Wasilewski I hear your points but I still don't believe we're talking about the same LOC program. That may be their version of it but it's not the same as I recall reading about. There may be other lenders who offer 5x programs as well.

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Replied Jun 25 2018, 15:04

@Brian Garrett ah I thought you mentioned FoA by name above. My mistake. Yeah good luck on that quest!  By name, the product I was referring to seems similar & is what got me interested.