Found a great vacation deal- but need some finance thoughts

Found a great vacation deal- but need some finance thoughts

William CollinsPro Member
Investor · Rocky Hill, CT · Member since 2013 · 373 posts · 299 votes

So here is a bit of context.  This is a quadraplex in a beach community in Connecticut, and it has been vacant for a long time period (read years).  Due to this factor I don't think that conventional finance will touch the deal.  Knowing this- I made sure to have my realtor @Michael Noto reach out ahead of time to the sellers realtor.  After being assured they would want to provide owner financing if there was an attractive offer- they came back 10 days later with a "we love the offer but we are not sure on the owner note".  As I usually do value add realty- I do have enough cash to renovate the property.  The current offer is a 220,000 with the financing built in (10% down and I cover realtor commision).   The property will take 80,000 all in to renovate to my standards.  This is a 3 season property with the intention of AirBNB , VRBO, or weekly rentals.

What are you thoughts?

1) Get a private equity backer? 

2) Work a hard money deal, with a refinance at the end (and lower my offer).

Any thoughts appreciated!

Cheers!

Bill

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Lender · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2014 · 68 posts · 80 votes
10y

If you have enough down payment using a Hard Money Lender is a great option.  Some programs these days have interest rates down in the 7.99% range.

FYI, I personally have vacation rentals in Fort Lauderdale and Palm Springs.  Nobody will bring you more inquiries than VRBO & Homeaway.  Airbnb holds on to the rental money until after the client arrives......just what you don't want.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Rancho Santa Fe , CA · Member since 2016 · 323 posts · 107 votes
    10y

    I would Get a HML and the refi.

  • Lender · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2014 · 68 posts · 80 votes
    10y

    If you have enough down payment using a Hard Money Lender is a great option.  Some programs these days have interest rates down in the 7.99% range.

    FYI, I personally have vacation rentals in Fort Lauderdale and Palm Springs.  Nobody will bring you more inquiries than VRBO & Homeaway.  Airbnb holds on to the rental money until after the client arrives......just what you don't want.

  • Boris GrinbergBusiness Member
    Lender · Paramus, NJ · Member since 2016 · 118 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    If you want to finance construction as well, I am not sure how many people would offer financing as a second lien.  

    The answer has several dimensions:

    - if you don't take seller's financing how much lower can the price go

    - Do you have 100k of cash to invest (10% down +80k) and what is the cost of sellers financing

    - What is the cost of HML loan and how much down you would have to put for both purchase and construction

    do the math, compare both options and you know the answer..

    Good luck.

  • Investor · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 107 posts · 62 votes
    10y

    There's not enough information to determine what would make the most sense for.  

    • Your investment with 10% down is $22k + $80k to rehab puts you into it $102k + there's always something unexpected. 
    • Is the rehab necessary before renting, or can the rental income pay for the improvements that would need to be done?
    • You mentioned paying the agents commission...how much is that? 
    • Closing costs? Will you be into it $120,000 with a loan balance of $198,000? 
    • What is the income potential?
    • What will the property be worth after the improvements?
    • How much is the area appreciating a year?

    Personally, I would only use HML as a last resort and would prefer to sweeten the deal with the seller if possible...they MAY be easier to work with...and offer more favorable terms.

    I'm sure you have all the answers to the questions above...but anyone else can't really give you good advise without knowing more.

    Aloha,

    Jeff

  • William CollinsPro Member
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    Investor · Rocky Hill, CT · Member since 2013 · 373 posts · 299 votes
    10y

    @Jeff Graves

    • Your investment with 10% down is $22k + $80k to rehab puts you into it $102k + there's always something unexpected.
      • There is always something unexpected, but on this where it is 2400 square and my 80 includes 10 fudge factor.
    • Is the rehab necessary before renting, or can the rental income pay for the improvements that would need to be done?
      • Alas no.  2 units can be brought online for this season, but the other 2 need more major work (reroof and  layout issues).
    • You mentioned paying the agents commission...how much is that?
      • 5%
    • Closing costs? Will you be into it $120,000 with a loan balance of $198,000?
      • Yes on an ARV of 370,000
    • What is the income potential?
      • income potential is $4000 weekly
    • What will the property be worth after the improvements?
      • conservatively 370, a duplex is selling for 390
    • How much is the area appreciating a year?
      • 3%
  • Investor · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 107 posts · 62 votes
    10y

    So you have about $60,000+ in equity after the improvements are made...nice.

    Potential income $4,000 weekly...best to look at the income on a worse case scenario and for an entire year.  High season may get $4000 weekly is that at 100% occupancy?  Cause we both know that won't happen.  How many weeks/months out of the year are considered high season vs low season?  How much will you charge during the low season, will it cover your costs or will you need to budget for it?

    I'm not trying to get on your case...these are questions I take all my clients through so that when they do buy they know where they are at...they've done their due diligence and always figure worse case scenario...that way anything better is pure gravy!

    Hope that helps.

    Aloha,

    Jeff

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    Income potential for how many weeks at 4k?  You are in CT so  for beach you are talking I would think 10 weeks.  After that you maybe having something else. Or have you already factored high and low season?   What would make the seller find it palatable, maybe they would do it short term?   i would first see what the hesitation is,  If you get it rehabbed  and producing you can do something move conventional.  

  • William CollinsPro Member
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    Investor · Rocky Hill, CT · Member since 2013 · 373 posts · 299 votes
    10y

    There hesitation is that this is an Estate sale with feuding family members... 

  • Rental Property Investor · Mystic, CT · Member since 2016 · 23 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Are you planning to use as an academic rental from September - May? What part of CT is it located?

  • North Stonington, CT · Member since 2013 · 35 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    @William Collins what were the other terms of the seller financing? If refinance is your primary exit strategy for a hard money deal, why not offer the Estate a shorter loan term? If you go to them as a commercial deal (LLC etc.) so they can give you a loan with a balloon payment in 2-3 years. It gives them a set pay-off date, the certainty of an easy foreclosure since your a commercial deal (if necessary), and you can refinance with the ARV at a bank of your choosing.

    If this is the property I think it is, it's technically expired right now so you shouldn't be up against much competition. 

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