In order to gain greater buying power (sooner) I was wondering if it's legal or if anyone here has ever combined their spouses 401k to use in a self directed 401k trust to purchase real estate property.
- I understand how a trust would work (all monies have to flow through the custodian, etc..)
- I will probably follow up with my tax advisor / financial advisor / trust companies
All the same, just wondering if anyone has experience w/ this "strategy"?
Thanks in Advance,
It is possible to pool the resources of your IRA with those of your spouse for real estate investing. How to best accomplish that will depend on your situation and goals, and the type of self directed plan that will work best for you.
Caution must be exercised to establish the right plan structuring and track the individual participation of each IRA into an investment carefully.
With proper guidance, this is relatively easy to do effectively and safely.
A discussion with your CPA and a quality provider of self directed plans will be the best way to start.
Hi, you have gotten some good advice already.
I/we did this with my brother and father (my brother and I are 'prohibited parties' to our father). We all used SDIRAs, not Solo 401Ks, but I am *guessing* that the process would be similar.
The biggest caveats I would say are these; 1) Use a professional who is EXPERIENCED in this. I could not find a local lawyer who would touch it since it is such a specialized area. 2) What ever 'ratio' ownership is when the company is formed, it must ALWAYS stay the same for all practical purposes. In our case we are each own 33.33%, in your case it might be 50-50. As spouse, it might now be as big of an issue, for us, we all had to look real hard at our goals long term.
We used UDirect IRA out of California as a custodian, and KKOS Lawyers out of Cedar City Utah for setting up the 3 way LLC. Im sure there are many members on here too that could help with those services (both of the people we used were refereed to me by other members on here).
Hope that helps a bit,
there are a couple custodians out there that do primarily SDIRA's.
I've used equity trust, horizon, and Accuplan. The only one I wouldn't recommend is equity trust, despite their size, they were completely disorganized and incapable of processing a transaction for me.
I just did something like this for me an my wife's Roth IRA through a "checkbook" SDIRA. The Roth IRAs are both transferred to the same custodian, and they both become members in the same purpose created LLC, which then opens a checking account that gets funded with your IRA moneys, and from where you do your investing.
What's important in that setup is that once the 2 IRAs have invested into the LLC (each IRA is a member in proportion to the amount invested) you can never add more money into the LLC with future IRA contributions because the LLC becomes a prohibited party after it gets funded (or this is what the lawyer explained anyway). If you get a lot of contributions over the years, you could always create a second LLC from these contributions at a later stage.
I did a lot of research about fees and used iraservices.com as the custodian (lowest fees that I could find) and mysolo401k.net to create the LLC for $800 (they work together with the custodian).
I hope this is useful, and most importantly, factually correct (Any experts seeing something wrong with this, feel free to correct me).
@Jean , I have heard others mention on here too that you could not make 'any additional contributions' once things were set up, and have questioned that from what our lawyer said when we set ours up.
My *understanding* is that in our case, where each of us own 33.33% of the LLC (all with SDIRAs) that any additional funds would all have to be invested into the LLC in the EXACT same portion.... meaning we could not 'change the make-up' or ratio of how things were set up.
I think I will follow up with my lawyer who set things up as we are on the verge of rolling more funds into the LLC so we can purchase another property.
I would love to hear any of the experts on here chime in too :-) @Dmitriy Fomichenko or others.
Thanks, Dan Dietz
Yes both solo 401k participants funds can be aggregate for investing in real estate. What is more, both spouses may participate in a solo 401k plan.
As others have mentioned, yes it is possible to combine retirement funds with your spouse's retirement funds for investment purposes. Do seek the proper guidance to be sure it is done correctly.
Also of note, a non-recourse loan may be helpful in obtaining real estate with your retirement funds.
it may be possible under certain circumstances to partner with a disqualified person in your IRA but you want to approach it very carefully in order to avoid committing prohibited transaction.
I had quick question regarding the percentage ownership of LLC when using SDIRA route to fund an LLC. Can one person's IRA be more than 50% owner? In our case - 4 partners - 2 couples. Can one couple own more than 50% of the LLC?
First, welcome to BiggerPockets!
Now to answer your question: the percentage split can be anything all the partners agree, it doesn't have to be equal. Also, the percentage split is determined by the amount of funds each partner contributes to the LLC.
Special rules apply, such as: the llc will need to be a newly formed llc-that is one that has never issued units before. This is the case if "2 couples" are disqualified parties--that is husband and wife, for example.
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