Real Estate Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2010 · 34 posts · 2 votes
Hello,
Can a person take 1031 exchange monies and partner with another investor on a like property? If so, how would this look and be set up? Say I have $100k to 1031 and want to buy a property with a partner that also brings in $100k to invest.
1031 Exchange Qualified Intermediary · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
13y
I wanted to clarify one of the comments in this string:
You cannot go from full to a partial owner as this is strictly against IRS regulations.
This comment is slightly misleading, although it was not meant to be. An investor can not sell real estate that he or she owns in their own name as an individual and then 1031 Exchange into another property by acquiring an interest in a partnership or by investing in a new partnership that is being formed to buy the new property. This is treated as if the investor bought a partnership interest (not real estate) and then the partnership bought the real estate, and it would not qualify for 1031 Exchange treatment.
However, an investor can sell their existing property that they own 100% of and then subsequently acquire a fractional or percentage (partial) interest of another property such as an XX% undivided interest as a tenant-in-common.
This is an important clarification, and not always an easy one for investors to fully grasp. Investors often use the term partnership when they are not really referring to a formal partnership but a bunch of investors that are buying property together as tenants-in-common (could also be done through a land trust or Delaware Statutory Trust).
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Accountant · Hyattsville, MD · Member since 2011 · 120 posts · 44 votes
14y
Yes you may. Partial interests qualify for exchanging within the scope of Section 1031 of the Internal Revenue Code. However, if your interest is not in the property but an interest in the partnership which owns the property, your exchange would not qualify. This is because partnership interests are excluded from Section 1031. But don't be confused! If the entire partnership desired to stay together and exchange their property for a replacement, that would qualify.
Another caveat, those individuals or groups owning partnership interests who desire to complete an exchange, and have for tax purposes, made an election under IRC Section 761(a) can qualify for deferred gain treatment under Section 1031. This can be a tricky issue!
Accountant, Enrolled Agent · Grayslake, IL · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
14y
Ebere and Fern,
That was a great cite from: "http://www.1031exchangemadesimple.com/1031-faq.html"; however, that does not answer her question. The question is if she can take a property in which she owns 100% and can use the proceeds to fund a partial interest in a NEW partnership.
You cannot go from full to a partial owner as this is strictly against IRS regulations. In some cases you could be considered to have contributed the property to a partnership; however, those laws are rather distinct and specific; it also typically requires you to contribute the property to the partnership before it is exchanged.
Here from IRS Publication 544:
"Partnership Interests
Exchanges of partnership interests do not qualify as nontaxable exchanges of like-kind property. This applies regardless of whether they are general or limited partnership interests or are interests in the same partnership or different partnerships. However, under certain circumstances the exchange may be treated as a tax-free contribution of property to a partnership. See Publication 541, Partnerships."
Here is the IRS Publication 544 about Like-Kind Exchanges(Code Sec 1031): http://www.irs.gov/publications/p544/ch01.html#en_US_publink100072371
1031 Exchange Qualified Intermediary · San Diego, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
13y
I wanted to clarify one of the comments in this string:
You cannot go from full to a partial owner as this is strictly against IRS regulations.
This comment is slightly misleading, although it was not meant to be. An investor can not sell real estate that he or she owns in their own name as an individual and then 1031 Exchange into another property by acquiring an interest in a partnership or by investing in a new partnership that is being formed to buy the new property. This is treated as if the investor bought a partnership interest (not real estate) and then the partnership bought the real estate, and it would not qualify for 1031 Exchange treatment.
However, an investor can sell their existing property that they own 100% of and then subsequently acquire a fractional or percentage (partial) interest of another property such as an XX% undivided interest as a tenant-in-common.
This is an important clarification, and not always an easy one for investors to fully grasp. Investors often use the term partnership when they are not really referring to a formal partnership but a bunch of investors that are buying property together as tenants-in-common (could also be done through a land trust or Delaware Statutory Trust).
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Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 2 votes
10y
Is it possible to buy into an LLC before the 1031? Or after? I understand that the 1031 exchange itself requires the same taxpayer to be on both properties, but if you bought into the LLC prior to the 1031 (or potentially after), then the LLC itself would still be making the transaction with both names on both properties?
Accountant, Enrolled Agent · Grayslake, IL · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
10y
The shareholders can chance, but not more than 50% in one year for a partnership. An LLC can do a 1031; however, there is not much incentive for some to enter into a transaction that has a great deal of gain unless it is completely dissolved in that same year. It will also affect market value of those shares.
Investor · Pflugerville, TX · Member since 2014 · 114 posts · 19 votes
9y
Is it possible to buy a property in an Llc? Say a wholesaler has it tied up under contract and he sells you the Llc/ deal, is that ok? Than can they add partners in later?
Investor · SC · Member since 2016 · 89 posts · 35 votes
9y
@Bill Exeter@Steven Hamilton II if it is possible to go from 100% interest --> Partial Interest via TIC, then is there a way for the TIC owners to transfer or transition ownership to an LLC?
Yes, you can certainly sell your relinquished property (100% ownership as an individual) and then 1031 Exchange into replacement property that is partial owned by you as long as the individual as a direct interest in the property such as a tenant-in-common interest. This would qualify.
However, the immediate transfer from an individual into an LLC would likely be classified as a step transaction and treated as if the taxpayer really bought a partnership interest rather than an interest in real estate.
There are some cases provide guidance that seems like you could do this such as Magneson v. Commissioner, but that is an old case under California's old Uniform Partnership Law, which has since been updated/revised. There would be some degree of risk if the contribution was completed immediately after the 1031 Exchange.
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Yes, it is possible. You have to be careful. Generally, let's assume that an individual sold his or her relinquished property and went to identify and then acquire the replacement property but found that the replacement property was held in the name of an LLC and for any number of reasons they must acquire the LLC instead of the property. It would generally still qualify as long as they bought all (100%) of the outstanding membership interests in the LLC so that it was/became a single member LLC and a disregarded LLC that was treated as if the individual acquired it for income tax purposes.
You should always have legal and tax counsel involved with these transactions to ensure the transaction will qualify. There are lots of moving parts that can go wrong.
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Piedmont, CA · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes
9y
@Bill Exeter Thanks for your responses so far! They have been very helpful. I wanted to follow-up on your comment:
"However, an investor can sell their existing property that they own 100% of and then subsequently acquire a fractional or percentage (partial) interest of another property such as an XX% undivided interest as a tenant-in-common."
In this case, are there any requirements around how the newly acquired property is financed, e.g., can one investor (the party completing an exchange) use all cash, and another investor use a loan, and the interest is split 50/50 between the two as a tenant-in-common?
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
9y
@Kacey W, this chain got deep in the weeds from your original question. And I think it was your use of the word "partner". I see this frequently. Partner could mean members of the same registered partnership entity such as a limited partnership or general partnership. But there's also partners where you and me each throw $100K in the hat and buy a $200K property together. I think that may be what you're asking.
Since your money came from a 1031 exchange for a property that you sold then you as the exchanger have to take title to at least $100K of the new real estate. Your "partner" could take title to the remaining interest. You would both be 50% tenants in common on that new property.
No problem at all that way.
@Cindy Chow, as long as you the exchanger are taking a Tennant in common interest in real estate that equals or exceeds the amount that you sold and as long as you are using all of your proceeds in the purchase. The ratios and allocations of cash, debt, ownership do not matter. I think however that this would be an important lender consideration if leverage were being obtained.
Like Kacey's example above. She could use her exchange which was $100K cash and her partner could be the guarantor (again pending lender approval) or at least originator or co borrower of the $100K loan for the balance of the 200K purchase. as long as the exchanger purchases at least as much as they sell and uses all the exchange proceeds that would be fine.
It does not matter how you "pay" for the property. The individual investors can allocate cash and/or debt in any manner they wish. The key is that those who are structuring 1031 Exchange transactions must acquire a direct interest in the real property such as and undivided tenant-in-common interests. The undivided tenant-in-common percentage ownership must have a fair market value (e.g., percentage of purchase price) that is equal to or greater than their net sale price of their relinquished property.
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Piedmont, CA · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes
9y
Thanks @Dave Foster and @Bill Exeter, that's good to know! One thing you both mention is a tenant in common interest in the acquired property, which I'm a little confused by. I tried to do some research on tenant in common, and read that all owners on a property for a tenant-in-common would have to sign on any loans. Is that a requirement, and how does that work with the ability to allocate cash, debt, ownership how we want?
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
9y
In a Tenant in common scenario each person owns a piece of real estate that is really just a % of a larger piece. Any lender is going to require all owners to sign when securing one piece of property.
I spose you can allocate all of those things anyway you want. But the most typical is to align them with the % of ownership. If a property is worth $1 mil and 4 owners want to own equally then each of them own 25% of a million dollar property as tenants in common (the deed will be recorded as such. Then each would usually have 25% responsibility for expenses and get 25% of cash flow, bring 25% of the down payment etc etc.
Any debt is on the property as a whole and the lender wants to be able to look to all the borrowers for satisfaction. That is why all sign and all are responsible in the whole for the debt.
Yes, when you acquire property and hold legal title as Tenants-In-Common each investor is treated as an individual separate investor (owner) of the property and each has the right to make his or her own decisions. They would each have to sign the promissory note and deed of trust or mortgage in order for a lender to fund a loan since they all individual own an undivided percentage of the property.
You can certainly allocated equity and debt anyway you wish, but generally they would be allocated based upon the undivided percentage interest that each Tenant-In-Common investors owns. They would contributed 10% of the cash equity, and be responsible for 10% of the debt, and receive 10% of the cash flow, and get 10% of the gain upon sale, etc., if they own an undivided 10% Tenant-In-Common interest in the property.
You need to be careful that you do not get too creative in the way you allocate various items. The more you stray from a true Tenants-In-Common structure the more it could really look and feel like a partnership rather that a Tenants-In-Common ownership structure.
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I have a similar question regarding moving from individually owned properties into a single property with another investor.
Say I own property A & B. I sell A and exchange $100k into property C with another investor. Doing so I own 25% of property C. When my property B sells at a later date, can I 1031 exchange another $100k into property C for 50% ownership?
If not, is there a way, other than closing both properties within 180 days to accomplish this?
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
7y
@Scott Ewerth, That's actually could be possible if you're tenants in common. Once your exchange is complete you will own 25% of a piece of real estate valued at $400K. The other party will own 75% of the property. Their property is worth $300K.
When property B sells for you it would be possible to exchange into another 25% of the property. With some caveats.
1. Everybody owns their property as tenants in common.
2. You're not a related party to the other person.
3. It's an arms length transaction.
4. You've verified with your accountant that none of the supporting documents to the future transaction (if any) are cross into "step transaction" land.
Investor · Smyrna, GA · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 16 votes
3y
I think I have a slightly nuanced version of the original question. If I used 1031 funds to buy into a new property that I solely own and it has been less than 12 months since I have owned it, can I allow someone else to buy into this property with me? If not, is there a timeframe where I can?
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
3y
@Michael Penny, You can certainly sell them an interest in the real estate. But it would probably end up with a taxable event on your end. when you bought the property the basis of the old property was transferred into this new property via the 1031. Any amount you purchased more than your sold was additional depreciable basis. So the property has a basis. If the basis is $100K and you sell 50% of the property to someone so they will partner with you then you are selling a property with a $50k basis. If you sell that to them for $50K then you not have a taxable event. But if you sold it to them for $100K you would have a gain of $50K.
An option might be to form an LLC that has both of you as members. You contribute the property to the LLC. And your partner contributes cash in exchange for membership interest. Your accountant can do some magic with membership percentages and distributions to make it work the way you want. But contributing a property to an LLC does not create a taxable event.