How can I get my credibility back with a tenant I hired ?

How can I get my credibility back with a tenant I hired ?

Investor · Marietta, GA · Member since 2016 · 98 posts · 168 votes

Well- despite all of the advice against it, I hired one of my tenants to do some basic property management work. He wanted work and I needed some help - pure and simple. You know how hindsight is 20/20? Well, I'm going to share some things in this post that make me cringe- and yes, I agree with you on the front end.... I was an idiot. But I would like advice on how to get my credibility back after the classic mistake of commingling business with a tenant. 


Long story short, I have a tenant in one of my properties who I trusted. He and his wife paid rent on-time, he seemed like an honest guy and I really needed a new team member to help be my "boots on the ground". Being an out of town landlord, I needed someone to help keep contractors straight, help pick up supplies and keep the jobs running. Basically I needed a project manager, and since he claimed to have helped real estate investors in the past, I felt like this could be a successful partnership. 

Cringe-worthy mistake #1: I sent over a business credit card for him to use for supplies 

(yes, I'm an idiot). I justified it by: 

1. I trust the guy 

2. It will help save me time 

3. He rents from me, I like this guy as a person- why would he do anything shady?? 

well- after about 3 weeks that one bit me in the behind- charges from Family Dollar and Lowes popped up that were not authorized. I immediately cancelled the card and had him return what he bought- which after pressing him for the receipts it was clear they were not job related charges. 

Had he been a contractor, I could have fired him, but since he is one of my tenants, I felt I needed to tread lightly. I wasn't willing to press charges or make a huge deal about it-  and decided this was my own stupid tax for even thinking a credit card was a good idea in the first place. ( I have to take some responsibility there on my end). 

Cringe-worthy mistake #2: By hiring him, he clearly saw that I needed additional help, which damaged my credibility as a landlord.

As landlords, we have to keep a distance. As soon as tenants feel too comfortable, they start to take advantage... which leads to... 

Cringe-worthy mistake #3: I gave him an exception in paying rent on-time this past month.. 

(insert throw pens, remote controls, your computer mouse at this forum post) 

If I haven't lost you from my absolute lack of common sense and lack of following my OWN Processes, read on as to why this was the nail in my coffin with this tenant.....

A little back story- he called me up at the beginning of the month with "the story". We all get them- heck, I get one from each new tenant at least once within the first 3 months they start renting from me. And I'm good at being firm. 

However, since he had helped me out with these renovation projects, I felt I owed him a favor. I told him I wasn't happy that he was going to be late, and that I would make an exception this once. I asked him when he could have rent paid and he said 01/17. 

Well- you guessed it- its 01/17- end of day, no rent. I reached out earlier today and you know what his response was? " I will get it to you later". He acted like I was the one bothering him!! (Landlord credibility completely annihilated). 

The lesson I learned here was to never ever ever ever hire a tenant to do any sort of work. And secondly, never ever ever waiver on rent collection processes. And never give a tenant/ project manager a credit card ( I pretty much added that in for myself- anyone reading this with any common sense already knows that) 

So the purpose of this post is two fold- One- I would love some advice on how I can get my credibility back with this tenant and avoid this every single month until his lease expires in June. And Second- if in the future it seems like a good idea to hire a tenant to do some work- please think twice. 

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Theresa HarrisPro Member
Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
6y

@Kimberly Kesterke  Your response to I'll get it to you later is to show up with a notice tomorrow followed by an eviction notice.

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  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    6y

    @Jonathan R McLaughlin. The only leverage she needs is the fact that he hasn’t paid rent. I don’t believe a judgement for a couple hundred dollars from small claims will matter. ( if small claims even issues one). The judgement issued for back rent will matter because it will show up on his credit score and future land lords will see it. RR

  • Rental Property Investor · New York City · Member since 2019 · 703 posts · 538 votes
    6y

    Your tenant sounds like a person that owea money to a lot of people. Sure he was aggravated when you asked for rent because the rent money isn't there, he gave it to someone more threatening than you. He doesn't respect you because you gave him too much leeway plus a job.

  • Auburn NY · Member since 2019 · 97 posts · 56 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Ralph R.:

    @Edward L lauckern. Absolutely not. The OP owes no explanation to this guy whatsoever he’s late with his rent. If she owes him anything it’s an eviction notice. Here it’s 2 months lost rent after the notice to flip a unit. She’s already lost 1/2 a month. It will cost her 3 months rent plus repairs to get her next full rent check. Why does she owe him an explanation?? RR

    She might not, but it's a chance that this guy might come to his senses. Sometimes it's better to work things out rather than evict. In my.opinion inshoukd rather see if there's a chance to mend the situation rather than spend money in court. This guy took advantage because he saw an opportunity, if he sees that he was mistaken and his tactic isnt going to work he might straighten himself out.. might and might not .. in my opinion it's worth it to see if it can be corrected

  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    6y

    @Edward L lauckern. I manage about 60 tenants a month. Been doing it for years. Experience tells me it doesn’t happen very often. If she is risking 2 months or more of rent (a couple thousand dollars maybe?? We don’t know how much?) plus the cost of a flip. In my book the risk isn’t worth the gain. In fact I don’t see a gain with this guy. He will try it again I promise. Possibly another tenant won’t. Land lording is a tough business. It takes a tough tough attitude to succeed. After the second or third time most landlords learn that or give it up. RR

  • Auburn NY · Member since 2019 · 97 posts · 56 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Ralph R.:

    @Edward L lauckern. I manage about 60 tenants a month. Been doing it for years. Experience tells me it doesn’t happen very often. If she is risking 2 months or more of rent (a couple thousand dollars maybe?? We don’t know how much?) plus the cost of a flip. In my book the risk isn’t worth the gain. In fact I don’t see a gain with this guy. He will try it again I promise. Possibly another tenant won’t. Land lording is a tough business. It takes a tough tough attitude to succeed. After the second or third time most landlords learn that or give it up. RR

    True but what if court doesnt go the way you want it to? Maybe they give this guys a few extra.months on top of the couple months it takes to get to court? my opinion is a basic settlement tactic that in the best case can save your income steam until the end of the lease (then maybe get rid of him) in the worst case you're out an extra months pay on top of eviction costs etc that you're going to have to pay anyway.

      Her question was how to save her credibility and I'm simply giving her a possible way not that could work, not full proof by any means.  If he doesnt pay a few days after you have a conversation with him then boom evict him through court 

  • John MorganPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Kimberly Kesterke

    I had something similar like this happen to me. It was actually much worse. I even bought my tenant a $3,900 truck with no interest payments of $250/month. I used him as a handyman for my rentals and dealt with him being late on rent and his truck payments. Then he stopped paying for both. Then would start back up paying me about 50% here and there. I finally had to evict him. That upset him so he smoked in the house non stop until he had to leave. The house was completely trashed and had damage. I spent $4,000 on turning the house and it still smells like smoke after painting the ceiling and all walls. I even got new blinds for the windows and it still reeks like smoke. I learned my lesson the hard way. They will walk all over you if you give an inch and appear to be soft.

  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    6y

    @Edward L lauckern Never heard of an eviction court not evicting when the tenant owes rent unless the unit is unlivable. RR

  • Auburn NY · Member since 2019 · 97 posts · 56 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Ralph R.:

    @Edward L lauckern Never heard of an eviction court not evicting when the tenant owes rent unless the unit is unlivable. RR

     Depends on the judge and the excuse the tenant gives.. judges in my area have allowed tenants more time to pay rent in certain circumstances especially if children are involved 

  • New to Real Estate · Surrey, BC · Member since 2019 · 17 posts · 18 votes
    6y

    Thanks for sharing your story and for the warning! Don't be too hard on yourself. We all learn from mistakes.

  • Rental Property Investor · Central, FL · Member since 2016 · 950 posts · 821 votes
    6y

    @Kimberly Kesterke looks like you learned the lessons the hard way, don’t worry most of have learned the hard way too.  

    The credibility you are talking about is just you implementing your systems and maybe a letter stating rent is due when it is due and that late fees will always apply going forward.  I assume you’ve fired him as a PM, if not please do so immediately. 

    The don’t hire a tenant is my only policy. And When I took over my current Multi family property I had to make it clear with the current tenants that I would not allow them to perform any work on the property. Since the last owner had allowed them to do things such as roof repair, lawncare, painting, etc...  that’s just a lawsuit waiting to happen someone not insured climbing on the roof to do some repairs.  

    Good luck moving forward.  Just learn from it and try not to repeat it.  Granted you have more experience then me so you are doing lots right keep it up.  

  • Specialist · San Marcos, TX · Member since 2019 · 26 posts · 12 votes
    6y

    @Kimberly Kesterke There’s a lot of good advice here. I lean more towards follow the law of the lease with no emotion. Also, no self deprecation, only lessons learned and stoicism but that’s easy for me to say.

    Sometimes doing a sort of thought experiment and pretending like you’re having to step in and solve a problem for somebody else can bring things into focus and lighten the situation. You may quickly realize that the only thing you have control over is how you enforce the lease. Everything else is a waste of time and energy.

    BTW- kudos for being so honest. I don’t know that I would’ve shared all that. “Respect” in Ali G voice, And Kudos to BP community for being so nice

  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    6y

    @Kimberly Kesterke first of all, I give you credit for sharing your story, knowing it paints you in a bad light. That takes courage and I will be the first to tell you we have all made mistakes, even though we knew better.

    I think you may not understand the core mistakes you made. You said you hired your tenant despite the advice against it. Ignoring good advice is the first mistake here. Secondly, you said you liked him, so why would he do anything bad? The biggest crooks I have ever met are extremely likable. Trust is built, not given based on emotional assessment. It doesn't matter if you like him or if he likes you. 

    You are compounding the situation by letting the tenant continue to live in your property. As soon as rent was past due, you should have given notice to pay rent or vacate. My guess is they will be late in February, because they paid late so rent in January. Don't make the mistake of threatening eviction and not following through. When he is late in February, post notice and follow through.

    You don't need credibility with the tenant. Stop seeking approval or validation from others, especially your tenant. Have a rent policy and follow through. No emotion. If they want to keep living there, they need to pay rent on time. 

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