Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes

Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis

This topic keeps coming up recently recently and I feel like a broken record, so thought I would post about it and share how I run an analysis on a potential arbitrage deal, and hopefully spark some discussion and learn how everyone else is doing it. I very much believe that every person knows something that I don’t especially in this group, so thought I would take the opportunity to try and learn from you all. I like using real numbers, so I’ll go through a real analysis that we completed recently.

Side by side duplex in our beach town, within 2 blocks of the ocean, one unit available for rent now at $1200 per month, the other available next October, so a while to wait. The unit in question is a 2/1.5, some recent updates, good location, and nice shape. I located this unit by going to Craigslist homes for rent, and turning on the “Map” function, and then looking at the parts of the island that I know do really well just based on our other units. I put together a list, cold called a few owners, and this guy and I hit it off. I’ve written other posts about that messaging, but this is just for the numbers. So before I called, here’s the analysis, let me know how y’all run yours.

First off, I alway run an AirDNA Rentalizer analysis. This property is 2 beds, 1.5 baths, and I ran the analysis at 4 guests (data has proven against the idea of max beds/heads here, and it’s not worth the hassle) AirDNA shows Gross Annual Revenue of $47,116. (Just ran it again to confirm, because it does fluctuate a little). Now this metric is as a Median performer in the market, meaning that it uses average occupancy, daily rate, seasonality, etc. We always use median metrics, and have so far always beaten those metrics soundly by trying to be a top performer and optimizing and streamlining our listings. PS, there can be a 7-10% standard deviation on this metric if you run the analysis just at the end of peak season versus off-season because it uses the previous 365 days of data, so account for that. The analysis on this unit shows Gross Annual Revenue of roughly 47k, average daily rate of $205, occupancy of 63%, and as expected, a seasonal Revenue Forecast. So here’s the analysis part.

We spend 25% of our gross rents on cleaning fees and airbnb fees after starting our own cleaning company, but I still run my analysis at 30%, which is what it was when we started. So 47k, multiplied by 0.7 is $32,900. Then I subtract my monthly rent, and utilities provided by previous tenants, which is $300 because our water is expensive. Our utilities will usually be less in STR than long term tenants, but thats the number we use. So that's $32,900 minus $18,000 (rent and utilities) which leaves $14,900. Divide that by 12, and we're looking at $1,240 per month profit over a yearly average. Our barrier to entry is that we need to make at least $1,000 per month per listing, so this hits that metric. A couple other things that are important though, we spend $4,000 to stage a 1/1 unit, an extra $500 for porch furniture if needed, and then another $1,000 per additional bedroom, so we'll stage this unit for $5,000. We use that number as a bargaining chip when speaking with the own to justify why we need a minimum of a 2 year lease.

Of course there are always some small Cap Ex, and we build most of that into our cleaning fee. We know that on average we spend $5.40 per booking on cleaning supplies, restocking supplies, coffee grounds, filters, and the occasional broken dish or stained towel, etc. Depending on the size of the unit, we charge $80, or $100 cleaning fees, and we pay $60, and $80 respectively, including laundry. That extra $20 covers that Cap Ex and restocking fees, and a little extra builds up for any larger Cap Ex that ever may occur. On some of our units, we are pet friendly and charge $50 pet fee per pet with a limit of 2. Over the year, those fees stack up and usually create another 3-5, depending on the property, some allowing 3 pets.

So even though we run our analysis using median metrics, between the small extra margins from our cleaning and pet fees, and the fact that the average occupancy for our town is 63%, but out occupancy over the past year and a half has been 88%, as long as we originally line ourselves up to hit that $1,000 a month profit, we set our selves up for fun surprises when it comes in higher than what the median prediction is.

OK, whew, long-winded. What do y’all do differently? Are there any other factors that have proven to help predict value? As our listings grow, it’s easier to lean on that performance more than AirDNA, but so far that still proven to be a solid benchmark for us. Anyone else have a better way?

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Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
6y
Originally posted by @Andrew LeBaron:

Okay, but what is your net profit monthly?

I manage 23 STR's and average monthly net is approx. $900...NET.

I'm curious if I could do the same here in Phoenix?

$4000 to $20,000 net.  My market isn't seasonal.  It depends on unscheduled emergency repairs, planned maintenance and capital spending at a refinery.  Emergency repairs is where the good money is.  The other 2 categories depend on the price of crude oil.  The higher the price, the more money the refinery has for maintenance and capital spending.  If the price of crude is low, they postpone that work until the price of crude comes back up.  When they postpone planned maintenance long enough, it becomes an unscheduled emergency repair.

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  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    How do you factor in your competition?  For example, once upon a time in my market there were 5-6 people doing STRs to refinery contractors.  I started doing it, and I had a leg up on everyone else.  All the refinery contractors have to take a drug screen before they can enter the refinery.  I give them the drug screens.  I also give them my advertising (pens, calendars of scantily clad women (2 styles), flyers).  I give them enough so that they can keep one item and give 2 others out to their friends.  

    Those 5-6 people that were doing STRs asked me if I wanted to buy their houses.  They were getting out of the business.  Now I'm the only person left in this town doing the STRs to refinery contractors.  23 doors, 83 beds, 30 washers/dryers/fridges, 30 HDTVs, 50 old style tvs, 1 paranormal entity.

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y

    Sounds like we’re in TOTALLY different markets.  This past summer we had 1,153 active listings in our town, and it dropped to a little over 400 in the off-season.  We focus on providing a great and clean product, and an automated and streamlined guest experience.  Besides that we know that small units perform best in our market so we focus on small multifamily units, 2-4 units, 1-3 bedrooms each.  We also list our properties under our super-host hosting platform and that helps with exposure.  Last we use the data from Your Porter to tell which listings are getting the most activity, and which first listing photo gets the most attention in order to optimize.  It’s a positive/negative feedback loop, so once the properties really start to perform, its very difficult for a competitor to catch up. 

  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Andrew LeBaron:

    Okay, but what is your net profit monthly?

    I manage 23 STR's and average monthly net is approx. $900...NET.

    I'm curious if I could do the same here in Phoenix?

    $4000 to $20,000 net.  My market isn't seasonal.  It depends on unscheduled emergency repairs, planned maintenance and capital spending at a refinery.  Emergency repairs is where the good money is.  The other 2 categories depend on the price of crude oil.  The higher the price, the more money the refinery has for maintenance and capital spending.  If the price of crude is low, they postpone that work until the price of crude comes back up.  When they postpone planned maintenance long enough, it becomes an unscheduled emergency repair.

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    6y

    I personally am not willy to have a business model based on using something that someone else ones and can decide to take back at some point in the future. I want to build a portfolio that takes care of me for as long as I choose to own it and pass down to my kids one day.

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y
    Sure John, completely understand, I feel the exact same way.  That having been said, we crushed it with Arbitrage this past year, and I’m using that cash to put down 20% on a 400k triplex that I’m under contract on, and there’s no way I could have saved for that in a year.  If you’ve got another strategy to make 100k in a year without much start-up cash, I would love to hear it.  Our whole model is to leverage Arbitrage into ownership.  

    Originally posted by @John Underwood:

    I personally am not willy to have a business model based on using something that someone else ones and can decide to take back at some point in the future. I want to build a portfolio that takes care of me for as long as I choose to own it and pass down to my kids one day.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    Hey @Clint Harris, I am with @John Underwood on the arbitrage thing. The differences I see with your posts and others is that this is something that is working for you in your specific area. Most people who post about arbitrage are new folks with no idea of how to run a STR so their risk is much higher.

    I see arbitrage as a short term strategy. There are too many variables that could turn a good thing into burden pretty quick. As long as you are making a strong profit, all is well. It also looks like you are leveraging your arbitrage and turning it into rentals you own. If the plan is to eventually get out, then more power to ya!

    On the number, they look solid to me. The things I liked about the posts are the reasonable occupancy rates, knowing the number of rentals you are comparing against and having already crossed the hurdle of getting the owner on board. Also, the fact that you have your own rentals working in the area successfully and systems in place that are doing well is a real plus.

    I can't think of anything I would look at differently. I would assume you would have to carry the vacation rental insurance? That is quite a bit more expensive and you didn't mention it, but I would guess you had that covered?

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y

    Thanks for the input Michael! Yeah, there are policies now that cover the home and also have STR insurance, they are a little more, but reasonable. We also have a personal umbrella policy as well. Yes, trust me, I dont want to live in the Arbitrage space, but it has added tremendous velocity to our portfolio, and it's undeniable. It definitely can sound gimmicky, and I was very skeptical at first, but the data convinced me. I think you would be surprised at how many places Arbitrage works, I'm in several Arbitrage FB groups, and there are thousands of members from all over the world sharing best practices. That's having been said, it's definitely a means to an end. We own a duplex, and then used Arbitrage to at ford the rental triplex that we're closing on in January, and also used money from Arbitrage to help us partner on a quadplex in Kure beach that got delayed from friday, but is scheduled to close tomorrow at 9 am! I definitely understand john's Point, it makes sense, but he made that same point on one of my similar posts 6 months ago when we were out of money to invest, and now we have the cash to put down on the triplex. Arbitrage can always go away, but it's a means to an end.

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    6y

    @Clint Harris , arbitrage does not go away if you treat it as a business structuring the lease accordingly. Are you familiar with master leases or otherwise known as triple net lease? Used in business world as a commercial lease they are used to lease real estate for periods up to 30 years. 

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    6y

    @Clint Harris place this post in Solo 401k,Roth IRA,retirement strategies forum. People with retirement plans looking to maximize income in real estate are looking for people to lease their properties to long term. STVRs are a business and RE owners in a retirement plan are not allowed to run the business per IRS rules thus the need to lease the property to an unrelated 3 red party.

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    6y

    @Clint Harris, how did you determine that a 2 bed/2 bath property would yield better ROI using leasing arbitrage rather than a 5 bed/4 bath duplex?

  • Joseph EversmanPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Loveland, CO · Member since 2019 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Clint Harris what FB groups would you suggest someone interested in rental arbitrage join?

    Thanks,

    Joe

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y
    Yes, we use Master Leases, also known in NC as a Sandwich lease.  So far we haven’t had a property go away, that’s never been an issue.

    Originally posted by @Todd Goedeke:

    @Clint Harris , arbitrage does not go away if you treat it as a business structuring the lease accordingly. Are you familiar with master leases or otherwise known as triple net lease? Used in business world as a commercial lease they are used to lease real estate for periods up to 30 years. 

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y
    BP, AirBNB Superhost FB group, there are several, and Hosts of airBNB Automated FB group

    Originally posted by @Joseph Eversman:

    @Clint Harris what FB groups would you suggest someone interested in rental arbitrage join?

    Thanks,

    Joe

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y
    I’m not sure what you mean?? Where did I come to that conclusion?  I don’t follow you.  If you’re talking about using Arbitrage on this 2/1.5 to build cashflow, and then move into the second property months later, I can do that for minimal investment and net 16-18k in year one and 24k+ in year 2 and 3.  I don’t know what 5/4 duplex we’re talking about, or if you’re talking about buying or what.  We use Arbitrage to create cashflow, and then cashflow to purchase multifamily properties.  

    Originally posted by @Todd Goedeke:

    @Clint Harris, how did you determine that a 2 bed/2 bath property would yield better ROI using leasing arbitrage rather than a 5 bed/4 bath duplex?

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    6y

    @Clint Harris,you said you did an analysis on a 2 bed/ 1 bath. I asked why you decided to arbitrage that type of property  rather than something bigger like a 5 bedroom?

    If you are already using a master lease agreement why are you not wanting it to be for a longer period like 10 plus years? That protects your business from disappearing due to owner of property changing his/her mind,right?

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y

    Ahh, I follow you now.  So why smaller properties... I’ve written about this multiple times before, but there is an inverse economies of scale phenomenon in our market.  A 1/1 does 35k in gross rents, a 2/1 does 43k, a 3/1 does 47k, but a 4 bedroom drops to 42k.... why is that?  It’s because smaller units have clientele that are much more nimble in the market place.  When Tom and jenny in raleigh aren’t working at Applebees and want to run to the beach tues-thurs, they choose one of our listings.  4-6 bedroom units have a significant dip in profitability, ESPECIALLY compared to the barrier to entry.  Purchase price on a 5 bedroom beach house is 600-800k, and that property is going to have 40% occupancy, and will do 50k in gross rents. Even though the average daily rate goes up, the occupancy drops.  The people that rent that listing are a family of 5 or more, week at a time, always summer, occasionally holidays or a wedding.  OR.  I can spend 400k for a triplex, 3 small units that do 35k, 43k, and day 47k respectively.  This isn’t a hard concept, the data is very clear.  One mortgage, one insurance policy, 3 cash-cow listings.

    So why not just lock in a 10 year Master Lease?  Really?  Beach town is a secondary and tertiary market.  When times get harder, the toys are the first to go, the hunt club, the boat, the four-wheeler, the beach house... Do you really think it’s easy to find a property owner that is willing to rent his property for 10 years with a tenant in place, knowing that if they ever need to sell a new owner will want access?  We typically lock 2-3 year leases.  Haven’t had anyone try and get out, and actually have had 2 owners that later approached us about purchasing.  One we declined and still operate, the other we are closing in january.  I have zero interest in living in the arbitrage space for 10 years, we just use it to make an extra 100k that we can leverage into ownership, and then rinse and repeat.  Hopefully that answers your question, appreciate the dialogue!

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y

    We Arbitrage the same types of property that we like to purchase because one sometimes leads to the other.  This 2/1.5 unit in a side-by-side duplex gives us the opportunity to pick up the second unit months later.  Those two units combine for 94k in gross rents at a purchase price of what would be around 370k should the owner decide to sell to us.  A 5 or 6 bedroom unit would run 600-800k, and do about half that or just over in gross rents.

  • Mc Gregor, TX · Member since 2018 · 41 posts · 35 votes
    6y

    @Clint Harris thanks for your comments. My husband and I are interested in doing the same thing.

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 172 posts · 38 votes
    6y

    @Paul Sandhu We read a lot of your posts, what is the paranormal entity?

  • Hatfield, PA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 629 votes
    6y

    demons

  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    @Jerry N.  The house was built around 1910.  A person that was building the house fell from the 3rd floor and was found dead in the basement at the end of the work day.  

    One of my tenants said he was smoking a cig and drinking his first beer while sitting at the bottom of the stairs.  A light came on in the living room by itself and he saw the shadow of a person walking up the stairs.  He said it looked like the shadow was wearing a uniform.

    I keep these 2 signs on the fridge.

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y
    Go for it!  It’s a great way to try STR and get started without making the commitment of purchasing.  Once you know if you like it or not and have a chance to put your system together, you can transition out of Arbitrage, or for us, we have continued with Arbitrage, and have used the cash to purchase more units and move towards ownership and vertical integration.  Biggest help I could offer would be to let the data steer you.  Don’t guess if a property will perform, you can know by using the AirDNA Rentalizer analysis

    Originally posted by @Jennie W.:

    @Clint Harris thanks for your comments. My husband and I are interested in doing the same thing.

  • Specialist · Jasper, GA · Member since 2017 · 19 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    @Clint Harris, where can I find this AirDNA Rentalizer analysis? I have narrowed down my locations and have scoped out some houses that I would like to lease and then airbnb then out. 

  • Investor · Carolina Beach, NC · Member since 2018 · 188 posts · 377 votes
    6y
    Hey Tonya, it’s right where it sounds.  Go to AirDNA.co (not .com) and click on the menu, and then the Rentalizer.  It will print you to input the address and the beds and baths.  If you’ve picked your market, I highly recommend paying for a membership to really do a deep-dive into the data and figure out the highest and best allocation of your resources in your new market.  Good luck!  

    Originally posted by @Tonya Slater:

    @Clint Harris, where can I find this AirDNA Rentalizer analysis? I have narrowed down my locations and have scoped out some houses that I would like to lease and then airbnb then out. 

  • Hatfield, PA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 629 votes
    6y
    better analysis: is this really a good idea? Am I relying on theory instead of cold reality? have i accounted for all the risk and all the expenses or am I missing out on a lot that I didn't even imagine?

    since there's no backup plan in Arbitrage, what will I do if this whole thing fails miserably and I'm stuck with all these leases and risk bankruptcy?



    Originally posted by @Tonya Slater:

    @Clint Harris, where can I find this AirDNA Rentalizer analysis? I have narrowed down my locations and have scoped out some houses that I would like to lease and then airbnb then out. 

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