Malden, MA · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 10 votes
Greeting BP,
Today I come to you with a question and a problem: Is the Greater Boston Area Too Hot for a First Time Investor?!?
I ask this because my wife and I live in the Greater Boston area and are looking to purchase our first investment property. However, the number just don't seem to work.
As a young couple, our plan is to House Hack while using an FHA Loan on a 2 to 3 unit property. We have been told that to get an FHA to work, it's better to go with a 2 unit, which are between $600,000 and $800,000 on average. Yet, even with us acting as a tenant and paying rent, the Cap Rate is around 2% and we still have extra overhead to pay.
Thus, is the Greater Boston Area just not a good place to start? Are there any other investors in the area that have had better luck and have some advice for us.
@Stuart Gardner Hey Stuart... If I were you, I would focus on a three decker if you can find the deal and if you can swing it. House hacking a three vs. a two is how I started (in Worcester), and it has many advantages: better cash flow, less vacancy issues, and still only one roof/foundation/driveway/etc to maintain all while owning an extra unit within it.
Do not be afraid of the MA tenant/landlord laws, just educate yourself. Owning two units is the same as 20, you just need to stay educated and take the leap.
Definitely not Stuart. It's all about working hard to find the good deals. I just met with an investor last week who just closed on a 3 family property for 350k nad needs 40k in rehab that will bring in 6500-7000/mo total rent. Not a bad deal at all.
I agree with Peter, it's just about finding the right deals. I flip houses mostly in the North Shore area and have in Chelsea MA (which is a good place to start right now) and inventory is definitely down making prices surge. It's just about finding the right deal and not settling for the higher prices. It really depends on the neighborhood you're looking in as well. For the first time, you might have to start off in a not great neighborhood to build equity until you can refinance and move up. Chelsea, Everett and Revere are good places to start where you can find properties that will be less expensive but will go up in value over the next 5 years. Try looking into a FHA 203k loan so you can find less expensive properties that need a little bit of work. Then you'll have good equity and can charge more rent once the reno is through.
Hi @Stuart Gardner, it can be a great place to start depending on a number of factors, but most importantly 1. what your short and long term goals are and 2. how hard are you willing to work for it?
I closed up on my own 2 family purchase in Quincy last year via FHA utilizing the 203k loan program. Long story short, after paying a 3.5% downpayment and doing renovations and getting a tenant downstairs, I could rent out my unit and cash flow $800+ per month, total. Not a bad return for a $20k downpayment. Right now we are in the middle of a refinance, which would free up another $160 per month in cash flow.
The method I used is to look in a developing area, find aspects within the property I could add value, make the renovations by leveraging my network of contractors, and then rent it out at what the market rate was.
Depending on what your investment criteria is, a strategy you use in South Boston (A class area/ A class tenants) vs Mattapan (C-D class area/ C-D class tenants) will vary greatly.
I work with clients both experienced and beginners, acquiring and leasing their properties. Feel free to shoot me a PM and we can discuss further.
Don't be discouraged, the Boston real estate market has a lot of competition and is a sellers market so there is little supply and prices are high. It is a great place to invest as there are a lot of renters in the area, arguably more than home owners.
Three family houses will most definitely bring in more cash flow than two family houses especially when you are living in one of the units. Locations to look around Boston are Malden, Chelsea, Revere, Waltham, Reading, Woburn, Wakefield, Quincy and New Bedford just to name a few. There are a lot of off-market deal opportunities which may produce better results than using zillow, realtor, MLS, etc.
Be aware that with an FHA loan you will be paying mortgage insurance throughout the entire span of the loan, unlike other loans where the mortgage insurance stops after a certain percentage of the principal has been paid off.
Prepare yourself with some financial homework on the properties you are looking at and how much ROI you are going to get and be ready to pull the trigger.
Also be very aware that Massachusetts is a tenant friendly state with almost seemingly unfair laws 'against' landlords so it is best to be aware of the Massachusetts Tenant and Landlord Laws and have a very good tenant screening process.
Thanks for the advice and insight. The common consensus is work hard to find that perfect deal, but what does that look like for each of you?
@Account Closed you mentioned off-market deal, are you referring to wholesaling?
Also, given Mass's Landlord/Tenant Laws and them not favoring landlords, would you invest in another state if you were to start over again, or do you think they are okay if you've done your homework?
No not wholesaling. What I mean is an owner who may be willing to sell but for one reason or another their property is not on a listing or they simply have a personal sign on their front yard that says For Sale By Owner. A lot of real estate agents find their deals by cold-contacting properties that look like the owner would be interested in selling.
There is always risk but I strongly believe if you have done your homework, your property is up to code and you are a diligent landlord you have very little chance of having problems.
Exactly what @Account Closed has said. You can also meet a lot of other investors at local RE meetings for networking purposes. One could be willing to unload a property or know someone else who is and it could fit your criteria to buy. It could be beneficial for them to transact off-market due to avoiding the hassle and costs to sell on the MLS with limited disruptions to current tenants.
A couple of thoughts. You should not just be looking at purchasing a primary residence through the prism of an investment. You have to live some place, you have to pay a monthly fee to live whether it is through owning or through renting. So would you rather build equity for yourself, or for your land lord.
The other thought is that hot markets are how people build wealth. Buy now at X price....or buy in the future after prices have gone up more. Even if you purchased at the height of the bubble...if those people would have held on, that morgage goes to zero eventually. (Unless you had say an interest only negative amortization loan...dont get one of those lol)
@Stuart Gardner Hey Stuart... If I were you, I would focus on a three decker if you can find the deal and if you can swing it. House hacking a three vs. a two is how I started (in Worcester), and it has many advantages: better cash flow, less vacancy issues, and still only one roof/foundation/driveway/etc to maintain all while owning an extra unit within it.
Do not be afraid of the MA tenant/landlord laws, just educate yourself. Owning two units is the same as 20, you just need to stay educated and take the leap.
@Steve Bracero Hey Steve, yes I do manage it myself. On top of the units that I own, my family has over 100 rental units in Central MA and all are self-managed, but we also have a construction company and de-leading company under the umbrella, so it's been a vertically integrated sort of deal since I was young. It's just how we've always done it.